From: Joe <>
Date: Sun Jan 11 20:21:21 1998

At 09:59 PM 1/11/98 -0800, you wrote:
>Allison wrote:
>> < The 5100 was IBM's first "Personal Computer" (their words). It had
>> <BASIC or APL or both!
>> The HP system predated it but, I may have the number wrong. It was
>> programmed in industrial BASIC.
>Allison, I'm really having trouble figuring out what you're thinking of.
>Even as far forward as 1975, the only HP systems I can think of that
>ran BASIC were minis. The 2100 and 2114 would have been the smallest
>of these, and both are boxes that really want to be in 19" racks but
>can be made to sit on tabletops and can be carried (I am certain that
>the 2100 has handles and think the 2114 does too). If carrying one
>doesn't convince you that it wants to be in a 19" rack or at least
>left sit I don't know what will.
>The closest thing I can think of is the HP 85, which is a fairly small
>and lightweight complete system, with keyboard, display, printer, and
>cartridge tape in the box. It was also "portable" in that you could
>get matching luggage for it. Next closest might be some of the 98xx
>calculator/workstations, but I think those were either programmed like
>calculators or in HPL, not BASIC. But all of this is late 1970s-1980

   He's got to be thinking of the HP 9800 series. I'm not sure when they
first came out (1971, I think) but the HP Journal had an article about the
9810, 9820 and 9830 in the Dec. 1972 edition, I'm sitting here looking at a
copy. I guess you could call them a PC but they're more like overgrown
calculators. One line LED displays, etc. HP even called them calculators.
You can go to "" and find
pictures and articles about them.

   The programming language is different in the different models but mainly
they are a mix of HPL ( HP's version of APL, but without the strange
characters) and BASIC.


>Maybe I'm just having a brain lapse?
>-Frank McConnell
Received on Sun Jan 11 1998 - 20:21:21 GMT

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