On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Merle K. Peirce wrote:
>
> All my Xeroxes are in the museum collection now, although I still have
> one set up at home. Absolutely my favourite CP/M machine, the QX-10
> notwithstanding. I might be able to find dos 1.25, but it would take
> awile. C: is a ramdisk. Don must have it at his fingertips. We're in
No, regrettably, I do not have anything for it but 2.0. I do have some
earlier versions of DOS for PCs, but do not know whether they would
function on the 16/8.
- don
> the middle of renovations and it's impossible to find anything.
>
> On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
>
> > At 08:40 AM 3/29/99 -0500, you wrote:
> > >Joe, CP/M-80 is 2.2,
> >
> > I looked throgh the XEROX manuals last night. There's a separate manual
> > for 2.2, CPM-80 and CPM 86 and MS-DOS 2. 2.2 is the oldest in this bunch.
> >
> > > and real computers don't need more than 64K...
> >
> > Yeah I know but 128K is nice to have.
> > >
> > >The 820, at least the later ones, used big 984K discs. I hardly ever ran
> > >out of space. There was an 8 meg rigid drive available too, but I neever
> > >filled that up either. WordStar on the 820 just grinds along, and works
> > >very satisfyingly.
> >
> > I got new manaul and 8" disk with WS 3.3. Also D-Base II and some other
> > stuff.
> >
> > > At least 3 word processing packages were avialable
> > >plus business graphics, multiplan, quite a few programming languages.
> > >XWP wasn't so great, apparently a primitive WordStar, WordStar was superb
> > >if cryptic, and there was another nice one, a bit glitzy and modern for
> > >my taste, but put WordPerfect to shame, but hey, even a blank screen does
> > >that. Don Maislin may remember the name, he likes that particular
> > >programme. Ran very well on 5-1/4 inch drives.
> > >
> > >There was a memory expansion available for the 16/8, but I've never seen it.
> > >The DEM-II is interesting because the card rack is very like the NEC APC-II.
> > >
> > >Incidentally, Hyperion's DOS 1.25 runs circles around the Xerox DOS 2.0.
> >
> > Do you know where I can find a copy of that? Do you still have any of
> > your XEROXs? I think I have the CPU portion of an 820-II here but no
> > drives (or the controller/daughter board) and no keyboard. The drives and
> > keyboard should be a problem but the controller is.
> >
> > Joe
> > >
> > >On Mon, 29 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
> > >
> > >> Merle,
> > >>
> > >> At 10:24 PM 3/28/99 -0500, Merle wrote:
> > >> >The 16/8 is an interesting machine. It came in 2 versions, the earliest
> > >> >with 8" Shugart drives, a later with a DEM-II expansion case housing
> > >> >5-1/4 inch drives. The CP/M-86 is not bad, but the MS-DOS is...well
> > >> >MS-DOS.
> > >>
> > >> Not surprising considering it's only ver 2.0 . At least that's what I
> > >> got in this load.
> > >>
> > >> > Incredibly primitive compared to CP/M 2.2.
> > >>
> > >> I don't know that much about CPM but this machine only has CPM-80 and
> > >> CPM-86. How do they compare to CP/M 2.2?
> > >>
> > >> One problem is that
> > >> >many were shipped with 128K memory. With the dinky drives, the machines
> > >> >are disappointing. The old 8" 820-II is a far better and more usable
> > >> >machine.
> > >>
> > >> Better than the 16/8? I thought it was newer. How much memory did the
> > >> 820-II have?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the info.
> > >> Joe
> > >>
> > >> >
> > >> >On Sun, 28 Mar 1999, Joe wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >> Today I went to see a couple of the people that I meet at yesterday's
> > >> >> hamfest. One of them used to service XEROX computers. He told me
> > that he
> > >> >> threw out three rooms full of old XEROX computers less than a year
> > ago. :-(
> > >> >> He gave me part of the stuff that he had left, I have to take a Truck
> > >> >> (note capital) back to get the rest (estimated at two cubic yards but no
> > >> >> complete machines). So far I've found lots of docs and 8" flopppy disks
> > >> >> for the 820 and 16/8. The 16/8 looks pretty interesting, it ran CPM,
> > >> >> CPM-86 and MS-DOS. Does anyone have one of these? What's your
> > opinion of
> > >> >> them?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> He has a floppy disk drive control box to manual operate 3.5",
> > 5.25" and
> > >> >> 8" drives during alignment. Anyone have an idea of what one of these is
> > >> >> worth with the alignment disks and manuals?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Alos found a Lisa mouse to go with the Lisa that I got yesterday.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Joe
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >M. K. Peirce
> > >> >Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
> > >> >215 Shady Lea Road,
> > >> >North Kingstown, RI 02852
> > >> >
> > >> >"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
> > >> >
> > >> > - Ovid
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >M. K. Peirce
> > >Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
> > >215 Shady Lea Road,
> > >North Kingstown, RI 02852
> > >
> > >"Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
> > >
> > > - Ovid
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
> M. K. Peirce
> Rhode Island Computer Museum, Inc.
> 215 Shady Lea Road,
> North Kingstown, RI 02852
>
> "Casta est qui nemo rogavit."
>
> - Ovid
>
>
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