Floppy disks again

From: Don Maslin <donm_at_cts.com>
Date: Wed Oct 13 13:21:04 1999

On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Pete Turnbull wrote:

> On Oct 12, 18:55, Clint Wolff (VAX collector) wrote:
> > On Tue, 12 Oct 1999 allisonp_at_world.std.com wrote:
> >
> > > There are two media for 96tpi, one for DD and lower and is the SAME
> > > magnetic material as 48tpi. THere is also the 1.2mb media and this is
> > > VERY DIFFERENT and incompatable with any other drive or density.
> > >
> > > So if we ignore 1.2mb media and the oddbal spindle speeds and data
> rates
> > > that go with it we come down to one media (softs sector) and 6
> different
> > > drives over the years. They are:
> > >
> > > 48tpi single sided (sa400)
> > > 48tpi double sided (sa450)
> > > 96tpi single sided (teac Fd55E or DEC RX50)
> > > 96tpi double sided (teac FD55F)
> > > 100tpi single and double sided models (micropolis I think)
> > >
> >
> > Ok, I wasn't aware of any 96tpi drives except the HD ones... Were
> > they ever used in the PC marketplace, or was it mostly a DEC thing?
> > After re-reading my uVAX manual about the RX50, I agree it is a
> > 96tpi single sided drive, though the manual says: "Use only formatted
> > RX50 diskettes, available from DIGITAL or its licensed distributors"
>
> They were used practically everywhere *except* in IBM/Intel/Microsoft PCs.
> They're certainly not unique to DEC. IBM/Microsoft seemed to want to
> standardise (not unreasonable!) and picked a particular format/size (with
> minor variations).
>
> The reason the manual says "Use only formatted RX50 diskettes" is that
> formatting the 10 sectors/track on an RX50 is rather critical, and most DEC
> machines to which those drives were connected, weren't supplied with
> formatting software. Rainbows were, though (I think), and I regularly
> format RX50s on other machines.
>
> > So there are four drives using the same media:
> > SSDD 180K,48tpi,40tracks/side
> > DSDD 360K,48tpi,40tracks/side
> > RX50 360K,96tpi,80tracks/side
> > ???? 720K,96tpi,80tracks/side - What was (is) this called? DSQD?
>
> The number of tracks has nothing whatsoever to do with the density! RX50
> is SSDD, it just happens to have 10 sectors of 512 bytes per track, and 80
> tracks. Your "??? 720K" is DSDD. Yes, some people did call this QD, but
> it isn't a different density at all -- the misnomer comes from people who
> don't understand what the words mean. Your numbers for 180K, 360K, etc,

Pete, since the term QD or Quad Density dates back to at least the North
Star Horizon, I would submit that it was not people who didn't
understand but rather who chose to ignore the real meaning and to use
the term as it was descriptive of the expanded disk capacity.

                                                 - don

> assume a particular number and size of sectors, which need not be the case
> (ie you can use the same drive and media to make a disk of different
> capacity).
>
> Also, there's nothing about (most) drives that makes them inherently single
> density or double density; that is just a question of how you interleave
> clock and data pulses, and how fast you send them down the Write Data line
> to the drive.
>
> > And the HD drive:
> > DSHD 1.2M,96tpi,80tracks/side - can read older media, but writing
> > is unreliable (head isn't wide
> > enough to erase the whole old track)
>
> Not so, the head is exactly the right width and layout for any 96 tpi DD
> (or SD, come to that) media. You just have to make sure it's set to the
> correct write current.
>
> --
>
> Pete Peter Turnbull
> Dept. of Computer Science
> University of York
>
Received on Wed Oct 13 1999 - 13:21:04 BST

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