That's like saying, "I don't worry about the causes. I just complain about the
effects."
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vance Dereksen" <vance_at_ikickass.org>
To: <classiccmp_at_classiccmp.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 2:31 PM
Subject: Re: OT: Stupid discussions about Dick's silly ideas
>
> I didn't make any observations about the corruption of the populace
> here. Only the politicians.
>
> Peace... Sridhar
>
> On Sun, 8 Jul 2001, Richard Erlacher wrote:
>
> > It's not the politicians that are corrupt. It's the citizens who don't hold
up
> > their end of the social contract.
> >
> > Dick
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Vance Dereksen" <vance_at_ikickass.org>
> > To: <classiccmp_at_classiccmp.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 10:19 AM
> > Subject: Re: OT: Stupid discussions about Dick's silly ideas
> >
> >
> > >
> > > People in this country don't know what corruption can be. The politicians
> > > in this country are (for the most part) very virtuous. Take Russia or
> > > India. There's corruption. This is nothing. The "corruption" here is
> > > basically the small amount that gets past the radar of the all-consuming
> > > all-terrifying tyrannical American mob. Other countries don't have this
> > > mechanism. It's ok to be idealistic, but we must also be realistic in
> > > that the American public does a *pretty* good job of keeping our
> > > politicians in line.
> > >
> > > Peace... Sridhar
> > >
> > > On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Sellam Ismail wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 7 Jul 2001, Shawn T. Rutledge wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Some day there will be new frontiers on other planets but until then,
> > > > > I don't see such an easy escape from the existing governments. Any
> > > > > future revolutions we have in the US will have all the same problems
> > > > > of revolutions in older established countries, say, France or Russia;
> > > > > that of trying to cast off the old ways and being unable to really
> > > > > completely start over, because the past is always there to haunt you.
> > > >
> > > > The problem is even with the intended ideals that the founders put in
> > > > place, our political system still ended up becoming corrupt, with
> > > > seemingly no way of correcting it short of Armageddon (although it did
> > > > take 200 years for it to happen).
> > > >
> > > > Does this mean every couple of centuries we'll have to re-invent the
> > > > United States on some other distant expanse of immaculate territory?
> > > >
> > > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer
> > Festival
> > >
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