OT oil shortage

From: Eric Chomko <chomko_at_greenbelt.com>
Date: Tue Jul 10 21:39:10 2001

Richard Erlacher wrote:

> What's more, they (the Oil interests) would really hate it if they were require
> to sell all the production from the U.S. to the U.S. and stop exporting.
>

You imply that Big Oil is purely American. Their domain is the whole planet.

Eric

>
> Dick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "joe" <rigdonj_at_intellistar.net>
> To: <classiccmp_at_classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 7:25 AM
> Subject: Re: OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be offensive,
> possible humor)
>
> > Sorry for continuing this thread but I couldn't let this one pass!
> >
> > At 03:00 PM 7/8/01 -0400, Chad wrote:
> >
> > >Joe,
> > >
> > >I originally meant to send this a few days ago. I wrote it off-line and
> > >it has been sitting in my out-box, but here goes :-)
> > >
> > >I don't think "crisis" is quite accurate. The oil industry has had
> > >several refineries burn, and who knows, maybe some of them are old or
> > >undersize.
> >
> > I think you need to do your home work. The oil companies have been
> > shutting down refineries. They've shutdown almost 30% of the refineries in
> > this country in the last ten years.
> >
> >
> > > They may need to build more. or rebuild burned ones. The
> > >electricity problems comes from growing and growing use, without
> > >appropriate updates on the power system.
> >
> > That's very true but the problems with the electrical power industry
> > are due to a shortage of generating stations (particularly in California)
> > and has NOTHING to do with oil refinery capacity or any supposed oil shortage.
> >
> >
> > >Drilling in new locations isn't supposed to increase refinery capacity.
> > >It is part of a longer range solution.
> >
> > Horseshit! They're closing down wells everyday and have been for
> > years! Take a drive through Lousianna sometime! I was in Alaska a couple
> > of years ago and toured nearly the full length of the Alaskan pipeline.
> > Even it's only running at about 40% of it's capacity. The only reason that
> > they want to drill in ANWAR and GOM is because the oil companies want a
> > CHEAPER source of oil so they can increase their already record profits!
> > That's the same reason that the US continues to import oil from the middle
> > east. Even with their price increases it's still cheaper to buy their oil
> > than it is to produce our own.
> >
> > If the government is serious about a "long range solutions" then they
> > should mandate that ALL cars achive 30mpg by say 2006, then raise it to
> > 35mpg by 2011, then 40 mpg by 2016, etc until we achive the best practicle
> > mileage. 50 mpg is very possible, a number of standard production cars
> > have already achived it. That's only one step, there are hundreds if not
> > thousands of other practicle solutions. Another solution would be to
> > mandate solar hot water heaters in all homes. I have one in my home and
> > it's been my only source of hot water for over 15 years and I've never run
> > out of hot water.
> >
> >
> > > Drilling in new locations is
> > >something a lot of countries are doing.
> >
> > Sure, because they all want to be independent of foreign sources and
> > because it's a huge source of revenue.
> >
> >
> > > Drilling in the North Sea is
> > >being done now, or maybe deeper water than normal..... I don't recall.
> > >I have seen a show on Discovery or TLC about the building of the
> > >platform. It was a huge engineering feat the way they built it.
> >
> > Yes, the engineering is impressive but again that has nothing to do with
> > the "nessesicity" for drilling in ANWAR or GOM.
> >
> >
> > >Personally, I'd like to see a move away from oil, not totally, but maybe
> > >a diversification. I'd like to see cars powered by grain alcohol,
> > >although I admit, I don't really know any specifics.
> >
> > I know a good bit about alcohol powered vehicles, I've been
> > experimenting with them since the late 60s. Alcohol is not nearly as
> > powerfull, cost effective or as efficient as gasoline. Alcohol also has
> > major incompatibilities with the components of automotive fuel systems. A
> > number of companies have tried selling gasoline with alcohol added
> > but AFIK they're all dropped it due to the cost, performance and other
> > problems.
> >
> >
> > > Something might
> > >have to be done about people drinking the contents of ones gas tank :-)
> >
> >
> > That would cure the population problem! Nearly all of the alcohol
> > sold in this country, including that used in fuel, is either nearly pure
> > methyl alcohol or has methyl alcohol, formaldahyde or other poisons added
> > to it to "de-nature" it. "De-natured" is a polite way of saying that it's
> > poisonous! The government requires that expressly so that people won't be
> > able to drink it. Let's burn gasoline in our cars (at least till something
> > better comes along) and save the grain alcohol for drinking!
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
Received on Tue Jul 10 2001 - 21:39:10 BST