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From: Iggy Drougge <optimus_at_canit.se>
Date: Sun May 13 06:50:34 2001

Sellam Ismail skrev:

>On 12 May 2001, Iggy Drougge wrote:

>> >Silly argument, but I'll humor you by saying they would at least be highly
>> >collectable (and highly valued), as they were used to paint the Mona Lisa.
>> >Are you starting to see the connection here?
>>
>> Of course they would be highly valued, but my point is not whether they
>> are, but whether they should.

>You say "of course they would be highly valued" then as whether they
>should. That's for you to decide. I would highly value them.

But they're really just old utensils. Da Vinci's sweat and saliva most likely
was no more brilliant than that of any other renaissance Italaian.

>> >Abstractly, yes. The original is a tangible product of the man, hence
>> >it's value relative to copies.
>>
>> Are copies less tangible?

>No, but they don't offer a direct connection to Da Vinci. I would prefer
>something Da Vinci himself had a hand in creating rather than some 3rd
>rate art school schlub, or even a 1st rate renowned painter (unless I
>happen to be fond of the 3rd rate schlub or the 1st rate painter).
>Again, the connection is with the creator. And you've been arguing this
>for so long now that you've forgotten that we are not judging the work in
>and of itself. The work stands alone for judgement whether it be an old
>computer or a painting. But the original was a direct part of someone's
>life, and in that regard it is "tangible", whereas a new reproduction or
>copy is not (not tangible to anyone elses life besides now your own).

And I'll argue that the reproduction is equal in every sense. Why would the
copy be less tangible to anyone else than the original?
Da Vinci painted the original Mona Lisa. Since then, innumerable reproductions
have been made, but they're all Mona Lisas.

>> >> But of course it can! It's built from the same plans and offers the
>> >> same functionality.
>>
>> >And it has all the historical significance that everything "Made in
>> >Taiwan" has. Yes, of course!
>>
>> It doesn't matter whether it's built in Taiwan or the Czech republic
>> as long as it's according to the plans.

>And if all you're after is functionality then your point is well taken.
>However, if you're after historical context then the original is obviously
>preferred.

Why? Does historical context lie in the dust and grease?
Tacitus is no less Tacitus whether printed in the 90s AD, the 1920s or last
year. It still remains his work.

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