OT: paging MAC expert(s) --- What's a Performa?

From: Ian Koller <vze2mnvr_at_verizon.net>
Date: Tue Nov 20 04:50:10 2001

> I don't know what a guy's to do. I guess image-copying the disk
> to tape, empty space and all, is the only solution.

The best device to back up a hard drive to is ... another hard
drive. Fastest speed transfers. And as inexpensive as hard drives
are these days, why not? In DOS, and even Win9x ... xcopy





Richard Erlacher wrote:
>
> I'm concerned mainly about Win9x. There were numerous backup packages that
> worked VERY well under [DOS6.22/Win3.11]. Since the release of Win9x, I've
> bought several backup packages, and a couple of releases of each, yet not seen
> one that even barely worked on any sort of consistent basis. The early backup
> program from ADAPTEC, part of their EasySCSI 4.xx package, didn't even support
> SCSI devices, and freely admitted it. Microsoft's backup utility for Windows95
> didn't support SCSI devices either. Seagate Backup Exec supported SCSI-1 and
> SCSI-2 devices, though it didn't work terribly well because it opened files that
> subsequently required human intervention in order to complete the backup.
> Moreover, if permission was given to back up those files, it would fall down
> during verify, since it, itself, had modified those files. Novaback for
> Windows95 failed on 148 of the 151 units one of my clients has, failing in all
> those cases, to complete the backup. I've never managed to get Novaback to
> finish a restore either. Cheyenne backup was a miserable flop, failing to read
> its own writing from time to time. I could go on ...
>
> There's something about the OS that interferes with a backup. The Microsoft
> Backup for Win98 seems to work ...sorta... but it only works ...sorta... and
> falls down many times, misinterpreting a drive that the OS recognizes correctly
> to be a 2GB partition to be 300+ Terabytes. Naturally it falls down later
> because of that problem. <sigh>
>
> An OS without a real backup utility is of little use because you have to have
> backup ... not just copies of things, but a real backup, context and all, that
> enables you to get back to where you were. DOS didn't have that, UNIX doesn't
> have it (though it does have TAR, which makes copies to tape), OS/2 doesn't have
> it, LINUX doesn't have it ... I don't know what a guy's to do. I guess
> image-copying the disk to tape, empty space and all, is the only solution. Of
> course that means the files are replaceable only on an all or nothing basis.
> ^%$#_at_! ... what a bunch of crap!
>
> Dick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Smith" <csmith_at_amdocs.com>
> To: <classiccmp_at_classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2001 10:22 AM
> Subject: RE: OT: paging MAC expert(s) --- What's a Performa?
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Richard Erlacher [mailto:edick_at_idcomm.com]
> >
> > > the Intel CPU as well as the 'LC040, was 3.11/6.22. I was
> > > working more from the
> > > experience with Windows that I'd had more recently. My
> > > latest Windows, BTW, is
> > > '98SE, and, until they fix some of the very fundamental problems, like
> > > non-working OS utilities, e.g. Backup, I'm not getting any
> > > more M$ OS products.
> > > I'm told it may be a long wait, BTW.
> >
> > Has microsoft _ever_ had a working backup utility? OK, maybe xenix had a
> > working version of tar or cpio (I doubt it had both), but that's it.
> > However, since I'm supposed to "leave my anti-ms baggage at the door,"
> > according to the faq, don't get me started ;)
> >
> > > This practice of theirs, of buying a non-functional cast-off from some
> > > financially-troubled software company and then integrating it
> > > into their OS is,
> > > in fact, an example of their "monopolistic practices" since
> >
> > Just ask yourself why most of these companies are troubled in the first
> > place...
> >
> > > they've no intention
> > > of supporting the product as an intrinsic function of their
> > > OS, though that's
> > > what they claim, as in the case of Internet Explorer, it is.
> > > Since you can't go
> > > to anyone else for a competing OS product, I guess they
> > > figure you're screwed,
> > > which is how I see it.
> >
> > Well, my most recent exposure is to windows 2000, which, admittedly, is
> > nearly as stable as NT 3.x was (4 was a joke). I only use it at work, and
> > only because they give me no choice. At home, I have plenty of other
> > options that do whatever I tell them to... ;)
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
> > Amdocs - Champaign, IL
> >
> > /usr/bin/perl -e '
> > print((~"\x95\xc4\xe3"^"Just Another Perl Hacker.")."\x08!\n");
> > '
> >
> >
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