From: Richard Erlacher <>
Date: Tue Apr 30 22:08:00 2002

I can tolerate a lengthy install, I guess. Goodness knows, I sat through a
couple or three installs of OS/2, and that was in '93 or so, when it took all

Maybe I should have snagged that Quadra 650. . .


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Arnott" <>
To: <>
Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2002 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor

> FWIW, most Macs since the Centris/Quadra 650 (1994?) have had on-board
> ethernet. Unlike the competing product, it's pretty much plug and PLAY.
> As the early iMac commercial said:
> Three steps to get on the internet.
> Step 1. Plug it in. (scene shows power cord being plugged in)
> Step 2. Get connected. (scene shows RJ-11 plug being plugged in)
> Step 3. There is no step three!!! There *is* no step three.
> It's really about that easy.
> With my systems, I run the wire to the hub, select "connect via
> ethernet" in Remote Access and configure the TCP/IP control panel to
> either use DHCP or manually enter the necessary IP numbers. Takes all of
> three minutes. Much less time than it takes a winbox to find and load
> the NIC card drivers with its so-called Wizard.
> With Novell, just load and configure the Netware Client for Mac. It's a
> much longer process, but what can one expect from Novell...
> Jim
> Richard Erlacher wrote:
> >
> > We'd best just agree to disagree about Apple Computer Co product quality.
> >
> > My position is based on what I saw in '81-'82 with then ][ and ][+, where
> > complete data losses per hour were the rule rather than the exception. I
> > remember watching a client's hired hand reboot and retype six times in the
> > course of a single phone call (on the customer's dime, so that wasn't good
> > either) culminating in the loss of the customer, not to mention the loss
> > the order. It may not be that bad any longer, but I'm operating on the
> > "once-bitten-twice-shy" principle. At that time, my partner and I were in
> > retail business, and wherever we saw an Apple, we made a sale, no
> >
> > My experience with the MACs was limited to what was then "leading edge"
> > implementations, which often led to trouble. I imagine the problems were
> > resolved, but I didn't get to see that. Consequently, the bad taste
> >
> > I am quite impressed with the seamlessness of the integration of the MAC
> > stuff, but since it's all from Apple, you'd expect nothing less.
> >
> > One thing that I've wondered is how one gets an old MAC to talk on the
> > Ethernet when it's a mixed environment with Netware and Windows NT
servers. I
> > know Netware has a provision for MAC namespace, but I've only seen one
> > ethernet-capable MAC, which leaves me wondering how folks who use MACs
> > an ethernet interface.
> >
> > What do you know about that?
> >
> > Dick
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