see below, plz.
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher Smith" <csmith_at_amdocs.com>
To: <classiccmp_at_classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 12:03 PM
Subject: RE: APPLEVISION Monitor
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chris [mailto:mythtech_at_mac.com]
>
> > Richard... are you being treated for your compulsive liar behavior
> > problems? You can not possibly have 5+ years of daily Mac use
> > under your
> > belt, and show the ignorance of Mac concepts you showed when
> > asking about
> > the AppleVision monitor and the Performa 630 (or whatever
> > model it was
> > you bought).
>
> Sorry, I have to argue with you here ;)
>
> The fact (well, at least my opinion) is that Apple makes it easy to
> remain completely ignorant of most important things about their
> computer while still "using" them.
>
> (I'll define "using" in the above as "doing the same mundane things
> that everyone else does with their computer")
>
Which is the one thing that warranted the use of the Mac (or whatever it
should be called) in the aerospace behemoth in which I worked when I first
encountered the things. When I started with the things they didn't even have
a network nor did they have a laser printer. They had this lame dot-matrix
printer that didn't print very accurate representations of what was equally
poorly represented on the screen. WYSIWIG was still a work in progress. My
frustration with the MacIntosh (that's how the local grocer spells it!) was
that it wasn't very expandable and there was no simple command line interface
that allowed it to be used to support hardware development and testing. It
was pretty simple to get "up and running," which it still is, and remarkably
so, BUT, within a couple of weeks, back then at least, one had run out of new
things to do on the thing and one simply had to wait to see what software
people brought to market for it. On the PC, one could write programs, plug in
wire-wrap boards, and use the stuff to do useful work. That's what my job
required.
>
> I'd say that Apple even encourages user-ignorance by not including
> applications that will even let you get at the filesystem with their
> O/S -- Finder doesn't count because it won't show desktop (and friends)
> at all, and God help you if you want to set file attributes. With
> OS X, that's hopefully changed.
>
> That lack of utility software, among other things done by Apple (think
> all-in-one, closed box designs) serves to keep users in the dark about
> many things.
>
> Now, I can't prove this, but I've personally seen it, so take that
> how you will. I've of course heard all of the Mac Zealot spin on
> my complaints above and I know all about how some people think that
> those things are actually advantages -- like a mouse that has only
> one button... to avoid confusion -- , but I don't buy it :)
>
> The thing is that I really do like Apple, and a lot of their hardware
> and software, and I hope to see it become a good product (for me, It's
> already a fine product for some people) some day.
>
> > Not to mention, you stated back when it all started that you haven't
> > seriously touched a computer by Apple in 15 years except to pull the
> > power supplies from them.
>
> Ok, that's somewhat of an odd statement in context.
>
> Could it be that he wasn't doing "serious" work on the systems at the
> time?
>
> Chris
>
>
> Christopher Smith, Perl Developer
> Amdocs - Champaign, IL
>
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> '
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Received on Mon May 06 2002 - 14:24:47 BST