Speaking of pen-based machines, I think I have an IBM ThinkPad 710T
squirreled away somewhere.
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, 4 Oct 2002, Chandra Bajpai wrote:
> Hey Bob.I've got 2 prototype (working) NEC VersaPads (they actually say
> NEC Autograph on them). It's was a slick machine, our company
> SystemSoft was developing the PCMCIA for NEC. Not to be critical 10
> years later, but the NEC VersaPad a lousy implementation of PCMCIA (hot
> swapping primarily), but it could have been our early engineering
> samples.
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> The other machine from that era that impressed me was the NCR 3125.
> http://www.obsoletecomputermuseum.org/ncr_3125/
> Out of all the pen machine built in 1992-1994, I think the 3125 or the
> AT&T Safari machine were the biggest sellers (not that pen machines were
> big sellers).
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> I never realized the VersaPad was never released..or that PenPoint ran
> on it. I would love to try it though.
> After GO went under I really regret (now) throwing out the PenPoint SDK,
> documentation, diskettes etc.
>
> I've an IBM pen computer that runs PenPoint and I really think it was
> much better then Windows for Pen Computing by far. I've always wanted a
> Momenta pen system - anyone have one? Momenta burned through $40M in VC
> money.until the dotcom era, that was the biggest disaster that VCs ever
> had.
>
> -Chandra
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-admin_at_classiccmp.org [mailto:cctalk-admin_at_classiccmp.org]
> On Behalf Of Bob Shannon
> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 6:41 PM
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Subject: Penpoint! was Re: 10 years
>
> People actually remember Penpoint!
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> I'm afraid I had a small hand in 'killing' Penpoint.
>
> Back when I worked at NEC, we had done a lot of work on a tablet-based
> portable PC called
> a VersaPad. The VersaPad was a fairly slick little 486SX based machine
> with a paper-white
> mono VGA display and a MicroTouch digitizer. It used an active,
> RF-linked 'pen' stylus with
> mouse-like buttons, etc.
>
> You had your choice of operating systems, Microsoft's Windows for Pen
> Computing, a hacked
> up version of Windows 3.11, or Go's Penpoint, a strange OS that was
> centered around the idea of
> an electronic book.
>
> I was sent from NEC to Go's offices, along with a BIOS engineer, to
> assist Go Inc. in their efforts
> to port Penpoint for the VersaPad. Given this assignement, I sat down
> with a prototype and a stack
> of PenPoint documentation. As strange as Penpoint was (to me) at the
> time, I found it easy to learn
> despite the gesture-recognisers inability to deal with my nearly
> unreadable handwriting style.
>
> But then things got ugly.
>
> The VersaPad had 2 PCMCIA slots, and Penpoint supported an array of
> smart card, flash and SRAM
> cards. Penpoint had absolutley no concept of a physical volume or
> device name, so when you inserted
> a PCMCIA card, a small book-like icon appeared on a GUI 'shelf'.
>
> Apparently the VersaPad was the only Penpoint machine that supported 2
> PCMCIA slots, something Go
> had never forseen in their low-level O/S design. This was a feature
> thought to be critical for a major customer
> who had asked NEC to develop the strange little VersaPad machine in the
> first place.
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> Turns out I could pop a card into slot 0, and get its icon as normal. I
> could then pop a second card into slot
> 1 and see another 'book' icon appear. But when I removed the first card
> and its icon disappeared, the identical
> icon for the card in slot 0 slid down the 'shelf' into the position that
> had held the icon for the card I'd just removed.
>
> Re-inserting the card in slot 0 now generated an icon on the OPPOSITE
> side of the icon for the slot 1 card, so
> there was no way to relate either PCMCIA card icon to either physical
> slot, as the GUI presentation depended
> on the order of insertion. The way this OS worked, with 2 PCMCIA slots,
> you were sure to delete files from
> the wrong physical volume, or not know which physical bit of media
> actually held your data. It was nasty.
>
> When this bug was replicated by the NEC BIOS enginer on the trip with
> me, we reported this bizzare bug to Go's team.
> Later that day, 90% of the engineers we were sent to support were called
> into 'urgent' meetings.
>
> In the end, Go's assesement was that Penpoint would have to be
> fundementally re-engineered to fix this issue. The changes needed would
> be to dramatic that the project was canceled. This was a bug they just
> could not fix, and
> without the ability to use a PCMCIA modem and data-card, NEC's customer
> for the VersaPad would be forced to abandon the Penpoint application and
> retool for a Windows for Pen Computing application. The result of this,
> and some really major issues with early Ni-MHD battery cells was enough
> to kill the complete VersaPad project.
>
> A few VersaPad's still exist, and I probably even have a copy of
> Penpoint, a tragically flawed Penpoint mind you, for these rare beasts.
> I had a small stack of VersaPads, and recently sold some at the MIT
> flea-market to people wanting to use them as controllers for mobile
> robots.
>
> If there is any real interest, I'll go dig one out and see if one of the
> 2 remaining machines has Penpoint still installed.
>
> Anyway, I was not to happy Penpoint went away. I think I would prefer
> Penpoint as an O/S for my MobilePro 450 over Windows CE, but it has been
> a long time since I've used either one.
>
> Say, how old is a NEC MobilePro anyway? Hmm, nope, thats off-topic!
>
> Patrick Rigney wrote:
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> On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Patrick Rigney wrote:
> Now that's what I call collectible. I really wish I still had
> my EO 440...
> :-(
> I have one ;)
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