it is easy it is simple.... brother bill for the desk top Linux for the
server!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Vintage Computer Festival" <vcf_at_siconic.com>
To: "Classic Computers Mailing List" <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 7:16 PM
Subject: OT: Need resources showing deployments for Linux/Apache/PHP vs.
Windows/ISS/ASP
>
> I have a friend who is a total Microsoft zealot. We repeatedly get into
> annoyingly incredibly pointless arguments over the virtues of Linux
> vs. Windows. I mean, I know people have religious OS wars all the time
> but he's so ignorant of the Linux world that it's stunning. I mean, the
> guy is the smartest person I know, but when it comes to this argument, he
> seems to argue for the sake of arguing because he has no real statistics
> to go off of and talks completely out of his ass, or he'll quote one
> article he read somewhere that said one thing (probably not even what he's
> arguing) to justify his position.
>
> For instance, he says PHP is full of holes and is not professional
> software because it's written by hobbyists on the side, the language is
> not clearly defined, and there's no support for it. He says the same
> about MySQL. In fact, this is where the argument tonight started. He had
> a web service that crashed because one of his MySQL tables got hosed, so
> he blamed all his woes on MySQL (he claims he had to use it because the
> programmer he had do the site only new PHP and not ASP which he would've
> preferred, claiming that ASP is much more robust, is much better defined,
> is way more powerful than PHP, etc., which may all be true but his
> criticisms about PHP and MySQL are so unfounded as to be obnoxious). When
> I mentioned that MySQL DOES have support (you pay for it just like you do
> when you buy MSSQL) he finds some other nit to pick, which I then shoot
> down, so he moves on to another, and another, and another, then starts
> throwing out dubious statistics, etc.
>
> So I know it's completely pointless, but I just want to throw some
> statistics from neutral quarters (i.e. not Linux Journal, but like Forbes,
> Fortune, Network Magazine, etc.) showing how many deployments of:
>
> 1) Apache running on Linux versus Apache on Windows
> 2) PHP on Apache vs. ASP on ISS
> 3) Linux servers vs. Windows servers
> 4) Growth rates, industry trends, etc.
>
> No matter what I tell him he thinks that there's no way that Linux is
> beating MS in any way, shape or form.
>
> As an aside, the extent to which he is completely lost is evident in this
> anecdote. He's complaining how people can't code in 64K anymore, and when
> I point out that this trend of bloat is pretty much directly attributable
> to MS with its programming paradigms and overall bloatiness, he shoots
> that down like I was Satan for even suggesting it.
>
> So anyway, I want charts, graphs, hard numbers, quotes, trends, etc. Any
> articles that can show the actual numbers of what's going on in the
> industry with regards to Linux vs. Windows.
>
> Simple URLs will do.
>
> Thanks for indulging this stupidity.
>
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Received on Mon Dec 01 2003 - 21:06:56 GMT