cctalk Digest, Vol 4, Issue 38 ( -Reply)

From: Ross Dykes <RDykes_at_scu.edu> Date: Thu Dec 18 11:58:51 2003 · >>> cctalk 12/18/03 10:06 >>>

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Message: 14
Date: 18 Dec 2003 01:36:14 -0500
From: "R. D. Davis" <rdd_at_rddavis.org>
Subject: Re: So I've finally got it...
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Quothe Patrick Finnegan, from writings of Thu, Dec 18, 2003 at
12:34:21AM -0500:
> I know this is OT by a couple years, but I hope you all don't mind too 
> much ; )
Nah... nice find!  
> There's a Mainframe sitting in my living room.  Not just any mainframe, 
> but a nice black S/390 G3 (9672-RC4).  It's got a 1996 list price that 
> rivals the prices of houses in SoCal, and it's managed to depreciate to 
Congratulations!  Now all you need to do is find a little bit more
space for the immortal power supply (diesel generator and
appropriately sized battery-backed UPS) to go with it.  :-)
Have fun!
> about 0.2% of its list price in around 7 years.  And, with 2GB ram, 
> it's got more memory on its processor than I do in my fairly fast/
> capable (very OT) PC...
Wow, twice the amount of RAM in my SparcServer 1000 (since we're
mentioning off-topic computer systems) :-)
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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2003 21:11:10 -0500 (EST)
From: "Robert Krten" <root_at_parse.com>
Subject: Ann: D8TAPE -- unix program to dump/disassemble PDP-8 BIN/RIM
	formatted paper tapes
To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org
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Just released:  d8tape
This program takes a BIN or RIM formatted paper tape binary file and disassembles
it.  It features the documentation for the BIN and RIM paper tape formats as source
code comments, along with the documentation for the 8/I and 8/L IOTs (which it also
decodes).  Released as "free for non-commercial" license.
Comments, bug reports, feature requests welcome.
See:  http://www.parse.com/~museum/pdp8/software/index.html
Cheers,
-RK
--
Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316.
Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting, Books and Training at www.parse.com
Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers!
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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 00:35:11 -0800
From: Mike Ford <mikeford_at_socal.rr.com>
Subject: Re: In need of a dumb part...
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>IF anybody does have a PS/2 isa mouse card please let me know would really
>like one so my 386 can use the mouse on my kvm (have too many mice on my
>desk as it is.
I've seen plenty of cards that have a PS/2 mouse looking connection on 
them, ie MS Mouse cards, is that what is being looked for?
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:04:49 +0000
From: Dan Williams <dan_williams_at_ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: FTGH DEC Cables. (UK)
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Rob O'Donnell wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I've had these kicking about for a while, and I'm sure someone out 
> there can use them; I know I can't.  I picked them up in a factory 
> that a customer had taken over.  Going off the labels on the sockets, 
> they had a microvax, so I presume these were for that.
>
> A multiway cable, big centronics style connector, with eight cables 
> terminating in RJ45s, P/N BN26R-03 (or so it says on the plug)
>
> Two circuit boards, corresponding centronics style socket, and eight 
> RJ45 sockets.  marked 5022364-01B1T1 5422365 L1  H3117MA
> and 5022364-01 B1 5422365 L1 H3117MA.
>
> Pic at http://www.irrelevant.com/pics/deccable.jpg
>
> Free to good home (or first person to ask, anyway) just pay shipping; 
> I'm in the UK, and package weighs a bit under 750g.
>
> regards
>
> Rob.
>
>
>
Am I too late or have these gone already ?
Dan
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Message: 18
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:09:17 -0500
From: Christopher McNabb <cmcnabb_at_4mcnabb.net>
Subject: Re: OT: I never knew...
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Davison, Lee wrote:
> Making fun of dyslexics is neither clever or furry!
>
That is the message being put out by DAM (Mothers Against Dyslexia)
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:24:12 -0600
From: Ed Tillman <ETILLMAN_at_satx.rr.com>
Subject: Re: OT: I never knew...
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Davison, Lee wrote:
>>>>Arrgh Dislexia again!
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>Shouldn't that be dyslexia ?
>>>      
>>>
>
>  
>
>>lysdexia
>>    
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>
>  
>
>>DYSLEXICS UNTIE!
>>    
>>
>
>Making fun of dyslexics is neither clever or furry!
>
>
>  
>
Wyh nto?!  I have to fight with this daily, and have had to for 50 
years...  If I can't laugh at it, then what good is it?
>
>
>
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Message: 20
Date: 18 Dec 2003 12:37:39 +0000
From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk_at_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: OT: I never knew...
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> > On Wed, 17 Dec 2003, Ron Hudson wrote:
> >> Google thinks 335 / 113 = 2.96460177
> 
> Arrgh Dislexia again!
> 
> >
> > but it thinks that 355/113 is 3.14159292
OK I totally missed the typo, thinking that you were implying that
Google treats the spaces as significant and interprets them as numerical
vaules :-)
umm, values too... dyslexia here too today...
J. 
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Message: 21
Date: 18 Dec 2003 12:45:43 +0000
From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk_at_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: New Research Machines finds
To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
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Couple of new Research Machines finds just turned up:
A 380Z in great condition, with the added bonus that it came with all
the manuals. Quick look inside shows it to be pretty stock, except that
I was told it had some sort of silicon disk option fitted. It does look
to have a memory-type board hooked up to the bus that I wasn't
expecting. Currently drying out prior to strip-down and checking as it
had to overnight in the car...
An RM NB300 laptop. Bet there aren't many of those about (I confess to
not even knowing that RM made a laptop until the guy I got the 380Z from
suddenly remembered that he had it!). Looks to be fairly standard stuff
inside - Conner crap-o-matic 40MB IDE drive, 386 cpu, 4MB RAM etc. but
probably a quite nice spec for the time.
The internal keyboard cable (one of those flat ribbons) is snapped -
anyone know of a UK source for them? Othwise I'll just have to keep an
eye out for replacements in broken laptops...
Oh, I also got various bits of software for both machines - system
disks, Windows 1.0 for the laptop etc.
cheers
Jules
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Message: 22
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:22:22 -0500
From: chris <cb_at_mythtech.net>
Subject: RE: OT: I never knew...
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>> Arrgh Dislexia again!
>
>Shouldn't that be dyslexia ?
D is for Lysdexia !
-chris
<http://www.mythtech.net>
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Message: 23
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 06:58:11 -0800
From: "vrs" <vrs_at_msn.com>
Subject: Re: D8TAPE -- unix program to dump/disassemble PDP-8
	BIN/RIMformatted paper tapes
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"
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> Just released:  d8tape
>
> This program takes a BIN or RIM formatted paper tape binary file and
disassembles
> it.  It features the documentation for the BIN and RIM paper tape formats
as source
> code comments, along with the documentation for the 8/I and 8/L IOTs
(which it also
> decodes).  Released as "free for non-commercial" license.
>
> Comments, bug reports, feature requests welcome.
>
> See:  http://www.parse.com/~museum/pdp8/software/index.html
Hey, I did one of these (in Perl), too!  I used it to reverse engineer
sources for various versions of Focal.  I also have a perverse version that
"disassembles" to x86 assembly, which then links to a support module to help
emulate the IOTs.
Your stuff gets published, though :-)!
Thanks!
    Vince
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Message: 24
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 15:35:17 -0000
From: "Witchy" <witchy_at_binarydinosaurs.co.uk>
Subject: RE: New Research Machines finds
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctalk-bounces_at_classiccmp.org
> [mailto:cctalk-bounces_at_classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jules Richardson
> Sent: 18 December 2003 12:46
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Subject: New Research Machines finds
> 
> 
> Couple of new Research Machines finds just turned up:
> 
> A 380Z in great condition, with the added bonus that it came with all
> the manuals. Quick look inside shows it to be pretty stock, except that
> I was told it had some sort of silicon disk option fitted. It does look
> to have a memory-type board hooked up to the bus that I wasn't
Swine :o)
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Message: 25
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 07:54:17 -0800
From: Marvin Johnston <marvin_at_rain.org>
Subject: Re: OT: I never knew...
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Dam - Mothers Against Dyslexia
Ed Tillman wrote:
> 
> Davison, Lee wrote:
> 
> >>>>Arrgh Dislexia again!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>Shouldn't that be dyslexia ?
> >>>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >>lysdexia
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >>DYSLEXICS UNTIE!
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Making fun of dyslexics is neither clever or furry!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Wyh nto?!  I have to fight with this daily, and have had to for 50
> years...  If I can't laugh at it, then what good is it?
> 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 26
Date: 18 Dec 2003 16:06:51 +0000
From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk_at_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: RE: New Research Machines finds
To: witchy_at_binarydinosaurs.co.uk,	"General Discussion: "On-Topic and
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On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 15:35, Witchy wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cctalk-bounces_at_classiccmp.org
> > [mailto:cctalk-bounces_at_classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jules Richardson
Hmmm... something very odd be happening with my email, I need to go pick
the server apart I think...
> > Couple of new Research Machines finds just turned up:
> > 
> > A 380Z in great condition, with the added bonus that it came with all
> > the manuals. Quick look inside shows it to be pretty stock, except that
> > I was told it had some sort of silicon disk option fitted. It does look
> > to have a memory-type board hooked up to the bus that I wasn't
> 
> Swine :o)
Heh heh :p  
It's not boxed though... although I must ask the person who I got it
from if he has the box. I know he has some more RM stuff at an old
office but I think it's all Nimbus-era equipment.
Nice to have the proper manuals for the 380Z though - and they're from
that era of real computing, meaning that all the schematics etc. come
with them :)
Will hopefully check it out this evening and see if it fires up.
cheers
Jules
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Message: 27
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:59:20 -0600
From: "Christopher Cureau" <chrisc_at_addpower.com>
Subject: Viking disk controller on Ebay
To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
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Does anyone have information on this controller?  Does it do MSCP
emulation?  I want SCSI, but I don't want to get something that won't be
compatible with 2.11BSD or the like...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2772733938&category=1247
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Message: 28
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 11:22:01 -0500 (EST)
From: "Robert Krten" <root_at_parse.com>
Subject: Re: D8TAPE -- unix program to dump/disassemble PDP-8
To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org
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vrs sez...
> 
> > Just released:  d8tape
> >
> > This program takes a BIN or RIM formatted paper tape binary file and
> disassembles
> > it.  It features the documentation for the BIN and RIM paper tape formats
> as source
> > code comments, along with the documentation for the 8/I and 8/L IOTs
> (which it also
> > decodes).  Released as "free for non-commercial" license.
> >
> > Comments, bug reports, feature requests welcome.
> >
> > See:  http://www.parse.com/~museum/pdp8/software/index.html
> 
> Hey, I did one of these (in Perl), too!  I used it to reverse engineer
> sources for various versions of Focal.  I also have a perverse version that
> "disassembles" to x86 assembly, which then links to a support module to help
> emulate the IOTs.
> 
> Your stuff gets published, though :-)!
:-)
A new feature that I'm working on now is the ability to convert RIM -> BIN
or vice versa, as well as a RIM -> RIM and BIN -> BIN "cleanup" phase that
trims off excess pre-header and post-trailer stuff.  Look for it at a website
near you soon! :-)
Cheers,
-RK
--
Robert Krten, PARSE Software Devices +1 613 599 8316.
Realtime Systems Architecture, Consulting, Books and Training at www.parse.com
Looking for Digital Equipment Corp. PDP-1 through PDP-15 minicomputers!
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Message: 29
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 08:46:16 -0800 (PST)
From: William Miller <wlm_phd_at_yahoo.com>
Subject: Basic Four Computers
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Hi Merle - 
    I couldn't help but respond to a posting that I saw.  I'm amazed that these computers are still around.  This just brings up all kinds of memories.  I was one of the original development engineers at Basic Four from 1973 through 1978.  I wrote all the firmware for the 1300 CPU which was an enhanced emulation of the 1200 that we bought from (I think) Microdata, in addition to almost every peripheral diagnostic, most of the drivers and a big hunk of BB2. So, if the computer museum ever needs a little background on the company or products of Basic Four, give me a yell.

William L. (Bill) Miller, Ph.D.
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Message: 30
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 17:38:41 +0000
From: Dan Williams <dan_williams_at_ntlworld.com>
Subject: Re: New Research Machines finds
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Witchy wrote:
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: cctalk-bounces_at_classiccmp.org
>>[mailto:cctalk-bounces_at_classiccmp.org]On Behalf Of Jules Richardson
>>Sent: 18 December 2003 12:46
>>To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>>Subject: New Research Machines finds
>>
>>
>>Couple of new Research Machines finds just turned up:
>>
>>A 380Z in great condition, with the added bonus that it came with all
>>the manuals. Quick look inside shows it to be pretty stock, except that
>>I was told it had some sort of silicon disk option fitted. It does look
>>to have a memory-type board hooked up to the bus that I wasn't
>>    
>>
>
>  
>
I had up until about 5 years ago two of these, with all original 8" 
software disks, double 8" drive and two external winchester drives. The 
external winchesters where big mfm disks with a convertor board to scsi 
or sasi I can't remember. They are great looking machines with a BIG 
reset button and keyswitch. I wish I hadn't given them away. One of them 
still had all the server software on it to boot a network of 30 odd 480z 
machines which it did with ease until they replaced it with a nimbus server.
On another note does anyone still have a nimbus with c-dos and the 480z 
network software installed on it. I have very fond memories of these 
from school. I can remember when they replaced all the 480z's with 
nimbus's (nimbi ?). They had a few 286's when I left which I believe 
where around the ?2000 mark then. 
I know the borough I lived in (Bromley) used almost exclusivly RM 
machines was that the same everywhere in the UK.
Dan
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Message: 31
Date: 18 Dec 2003 17:25:32 +0000
From: Jules Richardson <julesrichardsonuk_at_yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Free to a good home... (Cambridge UK)
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I'm planning a minor clear-out, so just seeing if there's any initial
interest in the following:
Machines, (currently half-buried in storage)
  Commodore 16 (I haven't yet found where I've put the PSU!)
  Memotech MTX 500 + PSU
  Commodore Vic 20, games, welcome pack, tape deck, joystick etc.
  I'll dig them out properly and make sure they still power up ok if
someone wants them.
Printers (currently very buried in storage :-)
  Canon PW1080A standard dot matrix thingy
  DEC LQP02 wide-carriage daisywheel
  TI Omni 800 - 820 RO terminal (wide carriage)
  I have vague memories of the Canon and the TI working before I shoved
them in the store room years ago. Can't remember when it comes to the
DEC (or where on earth I got it!)
Odds and ends:
  A Ferranti IBM XT clone / approximation. From memory: 8bit ISA bus,
plus a couple of non-standard slots, uses an 8086 CPU, two seperate
PSUs. Lots of ULA logic. I have a spare board set for it too. Never got
it to boot - not sure what version of DOS it requires.
  DEC Rainbow 100 system board, case lid, and I think I have a PSU
kicking around too. Kept around as spares for my working 'bow, but I
think I'd rather have the space the bits take up.
  The Philips P3800 mini that I've mentioned on here before - power
supply certainly is hosed. I just don't know when I'm ever going to get
the time to try and sort it out, and it's a bit too bulky to justify
hanging onto it. Hence it's going to have to go to the scrap if I can't
find a home for it soon :-( 

I may have either a Mac II or a Mac IIcx free soon too, when I decide
which one I want to part with :-)  
There may be other stuff as and when I unearth it...
I'm not much of a shipping fan I'm afraid so really want someone to pick
anything they want up - as well as Cambridge I get over Milton Keynes
way every so often too.

cheers
Jules
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