Hi Everyone,
Well Sam's not going to let it drop. I have not replied to the last
three of his messages in order to try and let this die down but he's
determined to continue try a prevoke a response. Now he apparently thinks
that it's inappropriate to post anything about the operation of this list
(unless he posts it, of course). But I won't bother to responde to his
rantings. I'll just post it here and you can use your own judgement.
Joe
At 04:13 PM 3/18/98 -0800, you wrote:
>
>You are seriously off-topic (again). For your possible enlightenment,
>here is a FREE copy of the FAQ:
>
>
>1.1 What is ClassicCmp?
>
>It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics center
>on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate place
>for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions
>dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers are
>often better handled in private e-mail.
>
>1.2 Why is ClassicCmp?
>
>Uh, why not? There are lots of people who love these old machines and it
>seems like a fun idea to get together and talk about them.
>
>1.3 What is a Classic Computer?
>
>_Any computer_ that has not been manufactured for 10 years is a classic.
>This definition is one I made up and it's entirely arbitrary. It seems to
>work OK, so I've kept it.
>
>1.4 Who runs this thing?
>
>That would be me, Bill Whitson - email bcw_at_u.washington.edu.
>
>1.5 How come I can never reach this so-called list operator?
>
>Sorry. It does often take me several days (sometimes weeks!) to respond
>to e-mail. I am often away for days at a time and when I'm not I'm still
>probably busy doing real work. I receive more than double the amount of
>mail that goes to the list in the form of spam, bounced messages, odd
>user requests, general bitching, etc. and I still have to filter out the
>messages I actually have to respond to, to remain employed ;). I will get
>back to you eventually.
>
>1.6 Do you know you're just duplicating work other people have done.
>
>I get a "reinventing the wheel" e-mail at least once a week. If you show
>me another group of computer collectors that claims a membership as large
>as this one I'll show you a group that must be very hard to find. Obviously
>there are other groups of collectors and I'm cheering them on - I don't see
>a problem with duplicating and reduplicating lore that's quickly disappearing
>anyway.
>
>1.7 How much mail should I expect to get on this list?
>
>The daily load varies widely from about 10 messages to over 100. Average
>seems to be about 44 messages a day. There are times where the message
>load peaks for as much as a week.
>
>[][][][][][][][][]
>
>2.1 What can I talk about?
>
>Anything related to classic computers as defined above. There are many
>people on this list that really know what they're talking about, so you might
>want to check facts before you start shooting off messages. It's also a
>good idea to actually read the FAQs and check the archives a little before
>posting.
>
>2.2 Can I talk about PCs?
>
>Yes. PCs which haven't been manufactured for 10 years. Even then, be
>aware that in many cases you would get a better response posting to PC
>newsgroups.
>
>2.3 Can I talk about Minis/MainFrames/WorkStations/Gigantic Talking Boxes
> with Flashing Lights & Coundown Timers/Robots from Alien Civilizations?
>
>There has apparently been some misconception that this is a list for
>micros/home computers only. You'll note I said "misconception".
>
>2.4 Can I post advertisements?
>
>Sure. As long as they're related to _classic_ computers. And, of course,
>use your brain - don't spam. Also, please state up-front whether or not
>you are willing to ship the items you sell outside your country as there
>are members of this list in a number of different countries.
>
>2.5 Can I ask people to sell/give me their computers?
>
>Sure. But you're not likely to get a very nice response. Mine, for
example,
>would be: Get your own f***ing computer! There are several people on
>usenet who will vouch for this. When someone posts about one of their
>machines without offering to sell it - it's really a pretty good bet that
>they're not secretly trolling for offers. See section 5 for info on how to
>find yourself a computer.
>
>2.6 Can I ask for help fixing item x.
>
>Yes. Be aware that it may be difficult to help you fix things if you don't
>have much knowledge of how computers work or of how to use basic
>electronics tools (VOM/DMM, soldering iron, EPROM burner, etc). I'm no whiz
>with this stuff and the little knowledge I have has come from asking
>questions and then buying books to find out what "Simple... Just check
>the voltage on the caps in the PS to make sure one of them isn't flaking
>out!" exactly means.
>
>2.7 Where can I look before posting a dumb question?
>
>It might be a good idea to take a look at what's available in the Archive
>section of the ClassicCmp web site (see below).
>
>2.8 Can I type obscenities about Microsoft in ALL CAPS!?!
> (Or, in general, be unreasonable with reagard to advocacy posts?)
>
>Check your anti-MS baggage at the door, please. For that matter, drop
>any posts that serve only to perpetuate the holy wars.
>
>2.9 Can I post trophy lists?
>
>Ahem. Er... I'm not going to go to the extent of banning this practise
>but it is considered bad manners. Don't whine to me because I used to be
>guilty of this and curbed myself ;). Post lists of newly acquired goods
>if you actually need info on them, not just to show off.
>
>2.10 Can I use obscene language in my posts?
>
>Yes. Although I'm sure many people would prefer you did not. A number of
>people have complained about this. I'm not going to outlaw swearing - now
>that I've informed you that it bothers people you can make your choice.
>
>
>On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Joe wrote:
>
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I have tried to drop this arguement with Sam but he insists on
>> perpetuating it. It may be embarrassing to read this stuff but it should be
>> kept public since it does concern the operation of this list. Sam is now
>> complaining that this tread is off topic for this list, but he convenently
>> forgets that he is the one that started it! In his latest tirade, Sam has
>> accused me of using this list for profit (I wish!). I should note that
>> selling items on the list is permitted according to the FAQs, and yes I
>> have probably made a grand total of $50 in the last six months (net not
>> profit). Anthony is right, Sam seems to be interested in nothing more than
>> harassing others and tearing down this list.
>>
>> What I would like to know is who appointed Sam to police this list?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> At 05:59 PM 3/18/98 -0600, you wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Again I warned you. I was responding publicly to a public posting by the
>> >OWNER AND MODERATOR of the mailing list, Sam. You are so out of line
>> >here that I can't believe anymore that your purpose on the mailing list
>> >is to do anything other than to harass others.
>> >
>> >Anthony Clifton - Wirehead
>> >
>> >PS: And I'm not going to allow you to do this privately...even if it
>> >does annoy the group because I think everyone needs to see what kind of
>> >person you really are and how petty and small-minded your little games
>> >are becoming. I think this has bearing on any project that you undertake
>> >and the extent to which others should participate in it.
>> >
>> > ---------- Forwarded message
>> >---------- Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:03:04 -0800 (PST)
>> >From: Sam Ismail <dastar_at_wco.com>
>> >To: Wirehead Prime <wirehead_at_www.retrocomputing.com>
>> >Subject: Re: Apology, Info, Etc...
>> >
>> >
>> >Again, you are in violation of Section 1.1 of the FAQ which reads:
>> >
>> >
>> >1.1 What is ClassicCmp?
>> >
>> >It's a mailing list for the discussion of classic computers. Topics
center
>> >on collection, restoration, and operation. It is also an appropriate
place
>> >for stories and reminiscences of classic computers. Lofty discussions
>> >dealing with the philosophical and/or metaphysical aspects of computers
are
>> >often better handled in private e-mail.
>> >
>> >Please post only on-topic messages in the future. Your cooperation would
>> >be greatly valued by all.
>> >
>> >Have a nice day!
>> >
>> >On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Wirehead Prime wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Personally I think the list is great and have noticed NO difficulties
>> >> whatsoever in its administration.
>> >>
>> >> I would hate to see it pass into the hands of someone who clearly does
>> >> not have the best interests of others in mind but merely wishes to
>> >> control it for the purposes of ego inflation.
>> >>
>> >> I think the list is wonderful Bill and, aside from one person who is
>> >> clearly incapable of behaving in a rational and courteous manner,
should
>> >> remain precisely as it is.
>> >>
>> >> That's my two cents worth...
>> >>
>> >> Anthony Clifton - Wirehead
>> >>
>> >> > If current arrangements are unworkable and someone else
>> >> > would like to take over with their own listserv, it would
>> >> > be simple to just transfer the subscription list, I think.
>> >> > If you can live with the current level of administration,
>> >> > I have no problem continuing to host the listserv.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >Sam Alternate e-mail:
>> dastar_at_siconic.com
>>
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>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>
>Sam Alternate e-mail:
dastar_at_siconic.com
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