>> Ah, but does this not actually fall under the same catagory as the above
>> comments about UNIX? Or does RT-11 ship with more than Macro-11? You kind
>> of have to have Macro-11 in order to run a SYSGEN I believe.
>
>It doesn't matter (IMHO) _why_ Macro-11 was included, the fact is that it
>was. And it's possible to write programs in Macro-11, so it counts as a
>programming tool.
>
>For the unices mentioned earlier, I believe that cc, an assembler, etc
>were _not_ included with the OS. So there is no way of writing programs
>with the software as supplied.
My point was that initially the various UNIX implementations HAD to come
with the programming tools, so you could add support of new hardware to the
kernel. UNIX used to be a lot like OS's such as RT-11 in this respect.
For all that goes UNIX based OS's such as Linux you often still need to
recompile the kernel to add hardware support. (Yes, I'm aware Linux has
module support, but I'm totally against modules, have been since Linux got
support for them in the kernel. I like a nice lean kernel with only the
support I need, and NO module support.)
I agree that Macro-11 is a good programming tool, I'm just trying to make
the point that with some OS's at least a minimal programming environment is
a necessity if you're ever going to change your hardware configuration.
Zane
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