OT oil shortage

From: Eric Chomko <chomko_at_greenbelt.com>
Date: Wed Jul 11 09:12:42 2001

Richard Erlacher wrote:

> This matter involves only the US producers, though.

US producers, as you put it, get their crude all over the world.
The term multi-national corp is redundant when speaking of an oil
company.

Eric

>
>
> Dick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Chomko" <chomko_at_greenbelt.com>
> To: <classiccmp_at_classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 8:39 PM
> Subject: Re: OT oil shortage
>
> >
> >
> > Richard Erlacher wrote:
> >
> > > What's more, they (the Oil interests) would really hate it if they were
> require
> > > to sell all the production from the U.S. to the U.S. and stop exporting.
> > >
> >
> > You imply that Big Oil is purely American. Their domain is the whole planet.
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > >
> > > Dick
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "joe" <rigdonj_at_intellistar.net>
> > > To: <classiccmp_at_classiccmp.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 7:25 AM
> > > Subject: Re: OT oil shortage was: Celebration (Not intended to be offensive,
> > > possible humor)
> > >
> > > > Sorry for continuing this thread but I couldn't let this one pass!
> > > >
> > > > At 03:00 PM 7/8/01 -0400, Chad wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >Joe,
> > > > >
> > > > >I originally meant to send this a few days ago. I wrote it off-line and
> > > > >it has been sitting in my out-box, but here goes :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >I don't think "crisis" is quite accurate. The oil industry has had
> > > > >several refineries burn, and who knows, maybe some of them are old or
> > > > >undersize.
> > > >
> > > > I think you need to do your home work. The oil companies have been
> > > > shutting down refineries. They've shutdown almost 30% of the refineries
> in
> > > > this country in the last ten years.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > They may need to build more. or rebuild burned ones. The
> > > > >electricity problems comes from growing and growing use, without
> > > > >appropriate updates on the power system.
> > > >
> > > > That's very true but the problems with the electrical power industry
> > > > are due to a shortage of generating stations (particularly in California)
> > > > and has NOTHING to do with oil refinery capacity or any supposed oil
> shortage.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Drilling in new locations isn't supposed to increase refinery capacity.
> > > > >It is part of a longer range solution.
> > > >
> > > > Horseshit! They're closing down wells everyday and have been for
> > > > years! Take a drive through Lousianna sometime! I was in Alaska a couple
> > > > of years ago and toured nearly the full length of the Alaskan pipeline.
> > > > Even it's only running at about 40% of it's capacity. The only reason
> that
> > > > they want to drill in ANWAR and GOM is because the oil companies want a
> > > > CHEAPER source of oil so they can increase their already record profits!
> > > > That's the same reason that the US continues to import oil from the middle
> > > > east. Even with their price increases it's still cheaper to buy their oil
> > > > than it is to produce our own.
> > > >
> > > > If the government is serious about a "long range solutions" then they
> > > > should mandate that ALL cars achive 30mpg by say 2006, then raise it to
> > > > 35mpg by 2011, then 40 mpg by 2016, etc until we achive the best practicle
> > > > mileage. 50 mpg is very possible, a number of standard production cars
> > > > have already achived it. That's only one step, there are hundreds if not
> > > > thousands of other practicle solutions. Another solution would be to
> > > > mandate solar hot water heaters in all homes. I have one in my home and
> > > > it's been my only source of hot water for over 15 years and I've never run
> > > > out of hot water.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Drilling in new locations is
> > > > >something a lot of countries are doing.
> > > >
> > > > Sure, because they all want to be independent of foreign sources and
> > > > because it's a huge source of revenue.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Drilling in the North Sea is
> > > > >being done now, or maybe deeper water than normal..... I don't recall.
> > > > >I have seen a show on Discovery or TLC about the building of the
> > > > >platform. It was a huge engineering feat the way they built it.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, the engineering is impressive but again that has nothing to do
> with
> > > > the "nessesicity" for drilling in ANWAR or GOM.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >Personally, I'd like to see a move away from oil, not totally, but maybe
> > > > >a diversification. I'd like to see cars powered by grain alcohol,
> > > > >although I admit, I don't really know any specifics.
> > > >
> > > > I know a good bit about alcohol powered vehicles, I've been
> > > > experimenting with them since the late 60s. Alcohol is not nearly as
> > > > powerfull, cost effective or as efficient as gasoline. Alcohol also has
> > > > major incompatibilities with the components of automotive fuel systems. A
> > > > number of companies have tried selling gasoline with alcohol added
> > > > but AFIK they're all dropped it due to the cost, performance and other
> > > > problems.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Something might
> > > > >have to be done about people drinking the contents of ones gas tank :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > That would cure the population problem! Nearly all of the alcohol
> > > > sold in this country, including that used in fuel, is either nearly pure
> > > > methyl alcohol or has methyl alcohol, formaldahyde or other poisons added
> > > > to it to "de-nature" it. "De-natured" is a polite way of saying that it's
> > > > poisonous! The government requires that expressly so that people won't
> be
> > > > able to drink it. Let's burn gasoline in our cars (at least till something
> > > > better comes along) and save the grain alcohol for drinking!
> > > >
> > > > Joe
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
Received on Wed Jul 11 2001 - 09:12:42 BST