Go to hell.
Peace... Sridhar
On Fri, 17 May 2002, Raymond Moyers wrote:
> Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 06:13:15 -0500
> From: Raymond Moyers <rmoyers_at_nop.org>
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: [CCTALK] Rants, List Bifurcation
>
> On Friday 17 May 2002 00:14, you wrote:
> > > From: Raymond Moyers <rmoyers_at_nop.org>
> > >
> > > I understand the thinking behind bifurcation of the list,
> > > but this wont quell the foamy mouth shout-down/shoot-down
> > > crowd that lay claim to that manufactured "civil" right
> > > to protection against speech that they find offensive.
> >
> > Jay --
> >
> > I find Mr. Moyers' speech to be offensive in the context of this list.
>
> "...The Left's First Amendment would read 'Congress shall make
> no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, etc. ... providing
> such speech or activities do not offend. If any offense is
> taken, citizen whiners, being necessary to the security of a
> politically correct state, shall from time to time suppress the
> offender's free speech rights by any means necessary, including,
> but not limited to, required sensitivity training, re-education,
> and loss of income'." --Edwin Feulner
>
> "If winning is the only value, why debate when you can suppress?"
> --John Leo
>
> "'No tolerance' means more than just a warning, because that would
> mean tolerance." --Dry Creek Elementary School Principal Darci Mickle,
> of Centennial, Colorado, discussing seven fourth-graders sent home from
> school, then sentenced to a week's lunchtime detention, for violating
> "zero tolerance" policies; the boys, playing a game of soldiers and aliens,
> pointed their fingers like firearms during the mock battles.
>
> A lot has been said about the "good Germans, who said nothing"
> what is missing from most of it is why they were silent and how
> they where silenced,
>
> "Being a lover of freedom, when the [Nazi] revolution came,
> I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had
> always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth;
> but no, the universities were immediately silenced.
>
> Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers,
> whose flaming editorials in days gone had proclaimed their
> love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a
> few short weeks....
>
> Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's
> campaign for suppressing the truth.
>
> I never had any special interest in the Church before, but
> now I feel a great affection and admiration for it because
> the Church alone has had the courage and persistence
> to stand for intellectual and moral freedom.
>
> I am forced to confess that what I once despised I now praise
> unreservedly." --Albert Einstein
>
> Its a tactic of the left to purge any casual mention of their bloodstained
> past from all forums the same way the NAZIs silenced their opposition
> in the last days of the Wiemar republic.
>
> All lists have their brushfires and posts that look like bait, but the
> fires consume their fuel and extingush themselves, and even the
> most intrangent will soon enough notice he is off in the ditch
> and steer himself back between the stripes.
>
> Those of us that are accustomed to American freedom, and what
> that means grant latitude to the voice and actions of others
> automatically, knowing that the license we grant to others
> directly supports our own.
>
> In my opinion, i would have routed those clamoring for "control"
> to /dev/null , once you act on the desires of the control freaks
> you empower them with the ability of the always used tactic
> of making such a clamor that you in effect hand over all power
> to them to shut them up. a tactic that works all too often.
>
> Raymond
>
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"How do you fight such a savage?"
"With heart, faith, and steel. There can be only one."
-MacLeod and Ramirez, "Highlander"
Received on Fri May 17 2002 - 15:37:26 BST