[CCTALK] Rants, List Bifurcation

From: Raymond Moyers <rmoyers_at_nop.org>
Date: Fri May 17 06:13:15 2002

On Friday 17 May 2002 00:14, you wrote:
> > From: Raymond Moyers <rmoyers_at_nop.org>
> >
> > I understand the thinking behind bifurcation of the list,
> > but this wont quell the foamy mouth shout-down/shoot-down
> > crowd that lay claim to that manufactured "civil" right
> > to protection against speech that they find offensive.
>
> Jay --
>
> I find Mr. Moyers' speech to be offensive in the context of this list.

"...The Left's First Amendment would read 'Congress shall make
no law ... abridging the freedom of speech, etc. ... providing
such speech or activities do not offend. If any offense is
taken, citizen whiners, being necessary to the security of a
politically correct state, shall from time to time suppress the
offender's free speech rights by any means necessary, including,
but not limited to, required sensitivity training, re-education,
and loss of income'." --Edwin Feulner

 "If winning is the only value, why debate when you can suppress?"
 --John Leo

 "'No tolerance' means more than just a warning, because that would
 mean tolerance." --Dry Creek Elementary School Principal Darci Mickle,
 of Centennial, Colorado, discussing seven fourth-graders sent home from
 school, then sentenced to a week's lunchtime detention, for violating
 "zero tolerance" policies; the boys, playing a game of soldiers and aliens,
 pointed their fingers like firearms during the mock battles.

 A lot has been said about the "good Germans, who said nothing"
 what is missing from most of it is why they were silent and how
 they where silenced,

         "Being a lover of freedom, when the [Nazi] revolution came,
         I looked to the universities to defend it, knowing that they had
         always boasted of their devotion to the cause of truth;
         but no, the universities were immediately silenced.

         Then I looked to the great editors of the newspapers,
         whose flaming editorials in days gone had proclaimed their
         love of freedom; but they, like the universities, were silenced in a
         few short weeks....

         Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's
         campaign for suppressing the truth.

         I never had any special interest in the Church before, but
         now I feel a great affection and admiration for it because
         the Church alone has had the courage and persistence
         to stand for intellectual and moral freedom.

         I am forced to confess that what I once despised I now praise
         unreservedly." --Albert Einstein

 Its a tactic of the left to purge any casual mention of their bloodstained
 past from all forums the same way the NAZIs silenced their opposition
 in the last days of the Wiemar republic.

 All lists have their brushfires and posts that look like bait, but the
 fires consume their fuel and extingush themselves, and even the
 most intrangent will soon enough notice he is off in the ditch
 and steer himself back between the stripes.

 Those of us that are accustomed to American freedom, and what
 that means grant latitude to the voice and actions of others
 automatically, knowing that the license we grant to others
 directly supports our own.

 In my opinion, i would have routed those clamoring for "control"
 to /dev/null , once you act on the desires of the control freaks
 you empower them with the ability of the always used tactic
 of making such a clamor that you in effect hand over all power
 to them to shut them up. a tactic that works all too often.

 Raymond
Received on Fri May 17 2002 - 06:13:15 BST