APPLEVISION Monitor,, obtuse about mosix et al

From: Raymond Moyers <rmoyers_at_nop.org>
Date: Mon May 6 21:03:40 2002

On Monday 06 May 2002 20:01, you wrote:

> > you are a bit unclear on the concept it seems

> I'm not unclear on the concept at all. All my machines are visible from
> any of them (except the DOS machine, which only interacts with Netware) and
> that's how I like it.

Yes it seems your unclear,
 unix boxes access the file systems of other boxes, but running
 a program on host xxx that displays on screen xxx .. you seem
 to mean running it off the remote disk, when its should be clear
 it is running on the other CPU.

 You are more "winblows limited" in your thinking than i thought

> > What isolation are you talking about, when the examaple shows
> > that the power of several machines seemless on one screen
> > operating as a whole ?
>
> The goofball I was talking about likes to type tomes of cryptic commands
> before being able to access resources physically connected to his
> half-dozen machines, all running Linux. Of course, he doesn't have a clue
> where things are, so he first has to enable one machine at a time to be
> accessible, don't ask me why, and it takes him 10 minutes to find a file on
> a system with just a few gigabytes. Then he has to set privileges, or some
> other nonsense, and, if he's lucky, he eventually finds the file he wants
> and can gain access to it. I see this sort of thing among several Linux
> users, and some Unix users as well. I think they're just trying to
> convince themselves they can do what the boss won't let them do at work.

 I think you invented this out of whole cloth, or else like my example
 didnt have any clue of what they was doing.

 Normal modis operandi a unix guy is doing things impossible for
 winblows, so perhaps you just didnt understand.

> > http://www.mosix.org
> > MOSIX is a software that allows any size Linux cluster of
> > Pentium/AMD workstations and servers to work cooperatively
> > like a single system.
> >
> > I am not running mosix, I dispatch my taskloads off buttons like
> > was shown, run app xxx on host xxx.
> >
> > But the mosix example is a close familiar to my operating habits.
> > and its strongly implied with my examples.
> >
> > > ON top of that, typing half a screenful of text just to make some file
> > > on some other machine accessible seems a mite burdensome.
> >
> > Clicking on a button runs that text, i stated that clearly.
> > winblows limited thinking again ?
>
> So why do you suppose this doesn't sell 100k copies per hour?

 What makes you think it dont ? when slack reved one of the largest
 mirrors would set new records for bits over the wire in 24 hours
 flooding their 3 100mbit pipes for days, it was largest site with
 the fattest pipes, and published its stats, cdrom.com did
 it all on a single box running bsd.

 For every sale, most cdroms does many loads, but the iso
 downloaded are far more.

 When you buy a redhat cdrom you are not buying the os
 you are buying support. if you download it you get the same
 thing but no paid support, 99,9999% of installs / upgrades
 are downloads.

> > > Even under DOS it only takes a single half-line of text.
> > > Some people just like *NIX because it enables them to stroke their own
> > > need for pseudo-sophistry.
> >
> > Here you dismiss superiority by waving "pseudo-sophistry" at it
>
> If it doesn't meet people's needs better, then it isn't better. If it did,
> it would outsell the "others."

 Heh then we should have left Getty Oil alone then by that reasoning

 When vendors are out from under threat of paying 40 more dollars
 per copy for winblows if they dare preload anything else, ( again
 from court transcript) and the market has time to adjust
 to certain boxes being available preloaded without the Mickysoft Tax
 then we will see.

> > this from you is really pathetic, but i think you are just a bit quick
> > off the gun, something im just as guilty of from time to time.
>
> feeling guilty? I wasn't referring to you, since I don't know you.

 Comprehension problems too ?

> > Perhaps you could look again and point out where your confusion
> > is.

> Actually, I think I'm on solid ground here.

... umm you seem to be "on" something
 You make being obtuse into an art form

  I don't think I'm confused

 You seem utterly confused,

You said :"All my machines are visible from any of them "

 networked machines mean more than file and print service
 but you have this "winblows limited" view of reality where
 anything more than that and you lose your frame of reference
 it seems.

 Study http://www.mosix.org again, the example i gave as a close
 familiar to what im attempting to show you.

 a mosix cluster isnt about file serving, unix boxes thosands of miles
 apart where mounting each others disk years before john q
 public had heard the word internet mentioned

 You should know this and should see clearly its about more
 than your simplistic view.

 Try again
 Raymond
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