see below, plz
Dick
----- Original Message -----
From: "Raymond Moyers" <rmoyers_at_nop.org>
To: <classiccmp_at_classiccmp.org>
Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor,, No shell = No power
> On Monday 06 May 2002 18:33, you wrote:
> > While I agree there is plenty of room for preferences, I don't see why one
> > would want everything isolated from everything else on the LAN, when the
> > existence of the LAN is warranted by the need for shared access.
>
> you are a bit unclear on the concept it seems
>
I'm not unclear on the concept at all. All my machines are visible from any
of them (except the DOS machine, which only interacts with Netware) and that's
how I like it.
>
> What isolation are you talking about, when the examaple shows
> that the power of several machines seemless on one screen
> operating as a whole ?
>
The goofball I was talking about likes to type tomes of cryptic commands
before being able to access resources physically connected to his half-dozen
machines, all running Linux. Of course, he doesn't have a clue where things
are, so he first has to enable one machine at a time to be accessible, don't
ask me why, and it takes him 10 minutes to find a file on a system with just a
few gigabytes. Then he has to set privileges, or some other nonsense, and, if
he's lucky, he eventually finds the file he wants and can gain access to it.
I see this sort of thing among several Linux users, and some Unix users as
well. I think they're just trying to convince themselves they can do what the
boss won't let them do at work.
>
> http://www.mosix.org
> MOSIX is a software that allows any size Linux cluster of
> Pentium/AMD workstations and servers to work cooperatively
> like a single system.
>
> I am not running mosix, I dispatch my taskloads off buttons like
> was shown, run app xxx on host xxx.
>
> But the mosix example is a close familiar to my operating habits.
> and its strongly implied with my examples.
>
> > ON top of that, typing half a screenful of text just to make some file
> > on some other machine accessible seems a mite burdensome.
>
> Clicking on a button runs that text, i stated that clearly.
> winblows limited thinking again ?
>
So why do you suppose this doesn't sell 100k copies per hour?
>
> > Even under DOS it only takes a single half-line of text.
> >
> > Some people just like *NIX because it enables them to stroke their own
need
> > for pseudo-sophistry.
>
> Here you dismiss superiority by waving "pseudo-sophistry" at it
>
If it doesn't meet people's needs better, then it isn't better. If it did, it
would outsell the "others."
>
> this from you is really pathetic, but i think you are just a bit quick
> off the gun, something im just as guilty of from time to time.
>
feeling guilty? I wasn't referring to you, since I don't know you.
>
> Perhaps you could look again and point out where your confusion
> is.
>
Actually, I think I'm on solid ground here. I don't think I'm confused about
>
> > From: "Raymond Moyers" <rmoyers_at_nop.org>
> > To: <classiccmp_at_classiccmp.org>
> > Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 5:11 PM
> > Subject: Re: APPLEVISION Monitor,, No shell = No power
> >
> > > On Monday 06 May 2002 16:36, you wrote:
> > > > Maybe they're willing to type a couple lines for the sake of
> > > > the added reliability, maybe it's easier for them to type
> > > > it out than to grab the mouse...
> > >
> > > Or perhaps if your already in the all powerfull environment
> > > you would only leave when the task isn't suited or
> > > the expense in time/effort/bother of moving to the other
> > > interface is less than staying put.
> > >
> > > some command strings become buttons.
> > >
> > > This button starts CDE desktop on my Sun, and places it windowed
> > > onto my Windomaker/Linux desktop as if it was an application
> > >
> > > ("SunDT :2 root_at_Sparc", SHEXEC, "(Xnest :2 -display fubar:0
> > > -nolock -bs -su &) && ssh1 -a -x -k -n -P -q -l root Sparc
> > > '(/root/xnest-desktop 1>/dev/null 2>/dev/null)'")),
> > >
> > > One click, and its on my screen.
> > >
> > > Or ..
> > > ("Netscape afu_at_Rx", EXEC, "ssh -a -x -k -n -P -q -l afu
> > > Rx netscape -display fubar:0
> > > file:///home/afu/.netscape/bookmarks.html"),
> > >
> > > Runs netscape on host rx puts it on screen fubar
> > >
> > > ( host rx has no screen or keyboard attached for 5 years)
> > >
> > > These examples show a multitude of things, but notice
> > > how command line strings become pretty clickety
> > > buttons on a popup menu.
> > >
> > > Raymond
>
>
Received on Mon May 06 2002 - 20:01:25 BST