---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 15:34:32 -0800 (PST) > From: Sellam Ismail <foo_at_siconic.com> > To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Unassembled Superboard II > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Bill Sudbrink wrote: > > > Vintage Computer Festival wrote: > > > Someone sent me an unassembled Ohio Scientific Superboard II kit in its > > > original box the other day. > > > > Oh! You lucky son-of-a-gun! What REV? > > The solder mask on the board says "Ohio Scientific Model 600 CPU" and "REV > D". > > The manual is copyright 1982 and the original invoice is dated August 4, > 1982. > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 15:40:34 -0800 (PST) > From: Sellam Ismail <foo_at_siconic.com> > To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Assembly on a Apple IIc+ > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Jim Keohane wrote: > > > p.s. I also did quite well with 6502 asm code in cpu speed tests vs > > 80x86 and Z80 programmers. The zero page, for all intents and purposes, > > is 256 registers. 6502 is single cycle instruction execution. Look up > > definitions of RISC and the 6502 is arguably RISC-like. > > No 6502 instruction takes less than 2 cycles to complete. > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com * > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > From: "Alan Emmerson" <aje_at_technet2000.com.au> > To: <classiccmp_at_classiccmp.org> > Subject: Kaypro II available. > Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 09:44:55 +1000 > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > I have two Kaypro II that I have owned from new. Both are upgraded to run > at higher clock speeds and one has a cooling fan fitted. One has the PC8 > ROM There is a complete set of the bundled distribution software (Select, > Perfect Writer etc) with manuals, including that really first class ground > breaking program SBasic, and other programs that I wrote in SBasic > including multi variable non linear regression analysis. Also Unidos and > etc which allows the floppy drives to emulate those of other machines. > > > I used one of these machines to run the first simulation of the CSIRO > Sydney to Melbourne high speed railway. > > What price might one expect for such a a machine?. > > Alan Emmerson > Brisbane QLD > Australia > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > From: Eric Dittman <dittman_at_dittman.net> > Subject: Re: WANTED: RA7x Enclosure/Operator Ctrl. Panel > To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 17:46:03 -0600 (CST) > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > > Wanted: RA7x Enclosure/Operator Ctrl. Panel > > Where are you located? > -- > Eric Dittman > dittman_at_dittman.net > Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > From: ard_at_p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > Subject: Re: interesting find > To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 20:42:32 +0000 (GMT) > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > > And when nobody cared about the size, weight and power consumption > > of computers... ;-) > > > > > The HP 9100A/B calculators use a similar architecture, using > > > wire bobbins instead of rods, for a microsequence store. > > The HP9100B was entirely discrete transistors [1], with normal R/W core > memory, the core-on-a-rope microcde store and inductively coupled PCB > tracks for the main program ROM. > > The HP9810 which replaced it was built from TTL chips, with 256 nybble > PROMs for the microocde store (and the ALU, which was a couple of > programmed PROMs), 512 byte ROMs for the main program store, and 256 bit > DRAMs (1103s) for the R/W memory. > > Admittedly the 9810 had space for an internal thermal printer, and it had > more user memory. But in the basic configuration it did less ('Math' > functions, like SIN, COS, TAN were on a plug-in ROM module on the 9810, > and bulit-in on the 9100). But the 9810 (the machine built with ICs) is > larger than the 9100. > > [1] OK, there are 8 IC op-amps in the 9100B on the card reader PCB (read > amplifier and comparator for the 3 data tracks and the clock track). But > the machine will run without the card reader ;-) > > -tony > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > From: ard_at_p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3800 Power Cable > To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:21:19 +0000 (GMT) > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > > On Feb 6, 22:33, Tony Duell wrote: > > > > > I don't see how you can do a proper test without a visual inspection > > of > > > the connections... And I've yet to see a moulded connector that > > provides > > > a proper strain-relief for the cable. > > > > A good PAT tester will check at a sensible current (though admittedly a > > lot only check earth continuity at a proper current). As for strain > > I've never met a PAT tester that tests the current-carrying conductors at > a significant current, mainly because there's no easy way to do this > without dismantling the unit under test (if the cable is fixed) -- the > maximum current you could pass would be the normal operating current of > the unit (by simply applying mains to it), which is not enough. Even then > you couldn't measure the voltage drop across one of the conductors. > > You may have guessed that I don't trust PAT testers, and I have no faith > at all in the safety standards as usually applied. Proper safety tests on > the other hand... > > > releif, well you're not supposed to swing the equipment by the power > > cable, Tony! > > True, but equally I don't expect the outer covering of the cable to pull > out of the moulded connector in normal use exposing the single-insulated > wires inside. Which has happened to many moulded cables round here. > > I assume you'd fail a rewirable plug with the cord grip missing/not used > on an electrical safety test. I certainly would. But most moulded cables > are not a lot better than that. > > > > The cable mounted section looks like a normal 'cold condition' > > _socket_, > > > but there are 3 round pins sticking out of the face of it (where the > > > socket holes would be). The chassis part looks like the normal plug > > > (recessed into the panel, etc) with 3 holes in it in place of the > > normal > > > plug pins. > > > > I've a feeling I've seen this used somewhere -- but not recently, and I > > can't think where :-( > > I've thought of another place I've seen them used. Leitz Focomat 1 > enlarger, at the top of the column. Connector for the lampholder assembly. > > -tony > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > From: ard_at_p850ug1.demon.co.uk (Tony Duell) > Subject: Re: Rookie HP-85 problem > To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:41:27 +0000 (GMT) > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > > OK, I took it apart to take alook inside and clean it up. Now I can't get > > the damn cover back on. > > It seems to get caught on the tape eject button. Don't want to break the > > cover forcing it. > > > > Are you supposed to separate the monitor/tape brown faceplate from the rest > > of the cover first? > > No, pull off the eject button (you should do this before removing the > cover). Then the cover fits easily. Put the button back on when the cover > is screwed in place. > > -tony > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 00:08:16 +0000 > From: John Honniball <coredump_at_gifford.co.uk> > Organization: Stoke Gifford Computer Museum > To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Old Computer Companies > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > Hans B Pufal wrote: > >> Eliott computers from UK. What happened to them? I mean Eliott, not N...a > > There are a few Elliot 803s preserved in Britain. One at Bletchley > Park, another at the Science Museum, and probably others. They have > an interesting power supply: the incoming mains is used to charge > a *big* Ni-Cd battery, which powers the computer. The same battery > is used in the Nimrod aircraft, and the RAF have kindly supplied > spares for the 803s. > > -- > John Honniball > coredump_at_gifford.co.uk > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 16:03:12 -0800 > To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org > From: Mike Ford <mikeford_at_socal.rr.com> > Subject: Re: Assembly on a Apple IIc+ > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > > > Get a copy of BigMac, and go ahead. it's a nice all in one > > > environment, and works fine on every Apple. > > > >Oh Yeah! BigMac (or as we used to call it at Software Productions, > >"BigHack"). > > > My favorite was always LISA, Laser Interactive Symbolic Assembler, a > complete editor/asm/runtime kind of setup. > > I need to look around and figure what the status is of the program, but I > have most of the versions of it that ever existed. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Subject: RE: WANTED: RA7x Enclosure/Operator Ctrl. Panel > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:02:00 -0700 > From: "John Willis" <jwillis_at_arielusa.com> > To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org> > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > New Mexico, USA > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Dittman > Sent: Fri 2/7/2003 4:46 PM > To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org > Cc: > Subject: Re: WANTED: RA7x Enclosure/Operator Ctrl. Panel > > > Wanted: RA7x Enclosure/Operator Ctrl. Panel > > Where are you located? > -- > Eric Dittman > dittman_at_dittman.net > Check out the DEC Enthusiasts Club at http://www.dittman.net/ > > [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 01:24:44 GMT > From: pete_at_dunnington.u-net.com > To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: MicroVAX 3800 Power Cable > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > On Feb 7, 23:21, Tony Duell wrote: > > > On Feb 6, 22:33, Tony Duell wrote: > > > > > > > I don't see how you can do a proper test without a visual > inspection > > > of > > > > the connections... And I've yet to see a moulded connector that > > > provides > > > > a proper strain-relief for the cable. > > > > > > A good PAT tester will check at a sensible current (though > admittedly a > > > lot only check earth continuity at a proper current). As for > strain > > > > I've never met a PAT tester that tests the current-carrying > conductors at > > a significant current, mainly because there's no easy way to do this > > without dismantling the unit under test (if the cable is fixed) -- > the > > maximum current you could pass would be the normal operating current > of > > the unit (by simply applying mains to it), which is not enough. Even > then > > you couldn't measure the voltage drop across one of the conductors. > > A proper PAT tester to current standards has a socket for each end of > an IEC cable, and each cable is supposed to be individually tested with > both ends plugged in to the tester. > > > > releif, well you're not supposed to swing the equipment by the > power > > > cable, Tony! > > > > True, but equally I don't expect the outer covering of the cable to > pull > > out of the moulded connector in normal use exposing the > single-insulated > > wires inside. Which has happened to many moulded cables round here. > > I've only seen one do that -- and it was an instant candidate for the > wirecutters at both ends. A proper visual inspection is supposed to be > the first part of the PAT. > > > I assume you'd fail a rewirable plug with the cord grip missing/not > used > > on an electrical safety test. I certainly would. > > Yes. The first thing I do with any multiblock is take it apart to see > how the ends are wired -- the cheap ones are usually in a condition > where I feel compelled to re-do the job. > > -- > Pete Peter Turnbull > Network Manager > University of York > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > From: Kelly Leavitt <CCTalk_at_catcorner.org> > To: "'cctalk_at_classiccmp.org '" <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org> > Subject: RE: Looking for source of MFM or RLL drives > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 20:12:08 -0500 > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > Yes, the OS allows entering of drive geometry. Actually only supports MFM up > to 70Meg. RLL drives will of course work, just not to RLL capacity. I'm > looking for the largest drives I can find. > > From: Ethan Dicks > --- Kelly Leavitt <CCTalk_at_catcorner.org> wrote: > > Any good sources of MFM or RLL drives. This would be for a Tandy 6000 > > running Xenix. > > > > I'm looking for 70 Meg or higher MFM (110 RLL capacity). > > Hmm... those aren't so common (in the DEC world, there are two > choices - the RD53 (Miniscribe 1325) and the RD54 (Maxtor XT2190). > > I take it you aren't constrained by a narrow set of expected > geometries? (i.e. - you have a running system and/or the install > procedure asks you about the drive rather than assuming?) > > -ethan > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Subject: RE: Disk drive head locking (DEC RA-82 and HP 7920) > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:37:25 -0700 > From: "John Willis" <jwillis_at_arielusa.com> > To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org> > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > I seem to have only up to RA81, but everything else :( > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Veeneman > Sent: Fri 2/7/2003 3:04 PM > To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > Cc: > Subject: Disk drive head locking (DEC RA-82 and HP 7920) > > Hello, > > I'm scheduled to pick up a pair of DEC RA-82 drives along > with an HP 7920 drive in the next couple of weeks. > > I don't have any technical documentation for either of these > drives, but I'd be very interested in learning the proper > procedure for locking down the heads on these drives > prior to moving them. If anyone has the steps to take > for either or both of these drives, please drop me a note > or point me to the proper archive. > > They've already been warehoused, so it might be too late, > but I'd like to be as safe as I can. > > Thanks! > > > Cheers, > > Dan > www.decodesystems.com/wanted.html > > [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > Subject: RE: Looking for source of MFM or RLL drives > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 18:43:20 -0700 > From: "John Willis" <jwillis_at_arielusa.com> > To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org> > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > I have an RD54 available... no idea whether its working. > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelly Leavitt > Sent: Fri 2/7/2003 6:12 PM > To: 'cctalk_at_classiccmp.org ' > Cc: > Subject: RE: Looking for source of MFM or RLL drives > > Yes, the OS allows entering of drive geometry. Actually only supports > MFM up > to 70Meg. RLL drives will of course work, just not to RLL capacity. I'm > looking for the largest drives I can find. > > From: Ethan Dicks > --- Kelly Leavitt <CCTalk_at_catcorner.org> wrote: > > Any good sources of MFM or RLL drives. This would be for a Tandy 6000 > > running Xenix. > > > > I'm looking for 70 Meg or higher MFM (110 RLL capacity). > > Hmm... those aren't so common (in the DEC world, there are two > choices - the RD53 (Miniscribe 1325) and the RD54 (Maxtor XT2190). > > I take it you aren't constrained by a narrow set of expected > geometries? (i.e. - you have a running system and/or the install > procedure asks you about the drive rather than assuming?) > > -ethan > > [demime 1.01a removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] > > --__--__-- > > Message: 16 > Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 21:27:05 > To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org > From: Joe <rigdonj_at_cfl.rr.com> > Subject: Re: Rookie HP-85 problem > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > Pull on the tape eject button. It's mounted on a stud and will pull right off. Just push it back on to re-install it. > > Joe > > At 01:11 PM 2/7/03 -0500, you wrote: > >OK, I took it apart to take alook inside and clean it up. Now I can't get > >the damn cover back on. > >It seems to get caught on the tape eject button. Don't want to break the > >cover forcing it. > > > >Are you supposed to separate the monitor/tape brown faceplate from the rest > >of the cover first? > > > >HELP > > > >RH > > --__--__-- > > Message: 17 > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 20:13:09 -0800 (PST) > From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin_at_xenosoft.com> > To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Old computers from HP, maybe? Anybody know where HP is > collecting/storing them? > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > > Hewlett-Packard is hoping a little green will help make computer owners > > recycle more of their old tech gear. The computer maker is testing a > > no, they are hoping that a little green will help make computer owners get > rid of their "old" tech gear and buy more new stuff. > > > > meets the charities' minimum standards. "For the most part what we get in > > here is pretty darn old," St. Denis said. HP's recycling program accepts > > . . . some of it is as much as two years old!!!! > > > A while back, HP began to "recycle" toner cartridges for the purpose of > making fewer empties available for refilling (which competes with their > new cartridge sales). > > > What do YOU think their primary motivation is?? > > > "Re: Old computers from HP, maybe?" > ^^^^ > It is a ONE-WAY process, of old computers going TO HP to remove them from > circulation. > > > -- > Grumpy Ol' Fred cisin_at_xenosoft.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 18 > From: "John Allain" <allain_at_panix.com> > To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Old computers from HP, maybe? Anybody know where HP is > collecting/storing them? > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:28:25 -0500 > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > > A while back, HP began to "recycle" toner cartridges for the > > purpose of making fewer empties available for refilling (which > > competes with their new cartridge sales). > > New cartridge sales?? I bought one of their "New" cartridges. > Here's what the small print says: > "This newly manufactured product may contain parts and > materials recovered from the HP Printing Supplies Return > and Recycling Program." > > > What do YOU think their primary motivation is?? > > Selling refills themselves, But just Calling them new. > > John A. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 19 > Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 23:59:51 -0500 > From: "Jerome H. Fine" <jhfinepw4z_at_compsys.to> > Organization: Just Sufficient > To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Looking for source of MFM or RLL drives > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > >Kelly Leavitt wrote: > > > > I'm looking for 70 Meg or higher MFM (110 RLL capacity). > > Hmm... those aren't so common (in the DEC world, there are two > > choices - the RD53 (Miniscribe 1325) and the RD54 (Maxtor XT2190). > > Jerome Fine replies: > > By the way, the RD53 is a Micropolis 1325 or 1335 with the > R7 jumper added to the logic board. Otherwise, the DEC > RQDX2 will not recognize the drive. I have never tried them > on the RQDX3 without the R7 jumper, but it might be possible - > probably NOT. > > And while there may still be rare occasions when you can actually > complete the FORMAT required for an RD53, I would recommend > that they be used ONLY for scratch at this point at the end of their > life cycle. I suppose that there might still be the odd RD53 that is > still living a good life, but most (almost all) have become so unreliable > that I strongly recommend NOT using them for any files you care to > see the next time you turn the computer on. > > Sincerely yours, > > Jerome Fine > -- > If you attempted to send a reply and the original e-mail > address has been discontinued due a high volume of junk > e-mail, then the semi-permanent e-mail address can be > obtained by replacing the four characters preceding the > 'at' with the four digits of the current year. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 20 > Date: 8 Feb 2003 00:57:58 -0500 > Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 00:57:58 -0500 > From: "R. D. Davis" <rdd_at_rddavis.org> > To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Old computers from HP, maybe? Anybody know where HP is > collecting/storing them? > Organization: why? > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > Quothe Fred Cisin (XenoSoft), from writings of Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 08:13:09PM -0800: > > > Hewlett-Packard is hoping a little green will help make computer owners > > > recycle more of their old tech gear. The computer maker is testing a > > > > no, they are hoping that a little green will help make computer owners get > > rid of their "old" tech gear and buy more new stuff. > > Wasn't HP the company that was saving and preserving the "vintage" > computer equipment turned back in to them? I think I read something > about this on their web site, or somewhere, about a year or two ago. > That's not to say they weren't scrapping newer equipment, however, and > I don't recall reading how old the equipment had to be to qualify for > preservation. > > > What do YOU think their primary motivation is?? > > > > > > "Re: Old computers from HP, maybe?" > > ^^^^ > > It is a ONE-WAY process, of old computers going TO HP to remove them from > > circulation. > > Yep... even the vintage ones if they still save them from being > scrapped; surely they still get sent off to a warehouse somewhere to > keep them out of circulation. Speaking of circulation, an HP-3000 > Series III computer running MPE-IV was used to process data for the > circulation department of the Baltimore Sun back around 1990... it was > quite a contrast to see that, and it's disk farm, right across the > room from a sea of big blue cabinets for an IBM mainframe system. > > -- > Copyright (C) 2002 R. D. Davis The difference between humans & other animals: > All Rights Reserved an unnatural belief that we're above Nature & > rdd_at_rddavis.org 410-744-4900 her other creatures, using dogma to justify such > http://www.rddavis.org beliefs and to justify much human cruelty. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 21 > From: "Lawrence Walker" <lgwalker_at_mts.net> > To: "Jeffrey S. Worley" <Technoid_at_30below.com>, cctalk_at_classiccmp.org > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 23:27:36 -0600 > Subject: RE: Atari ST Help > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > Hmmm how did my address get into this ? > As the old flame went "check your attributes" > and in this case your deletions. > > Lawrence > > On 7 Feb 2003, , Jeffrey S. Worley wrote: > > > BTW, the Link II's they are selling are NEW. Call and ask or > > leave an email. I just checked their catalog. The link I > > bough was from them IIRC. It came in it's original packaging > > and was perfect in all respects. Still is perfect though now > > used... ;-) > > > > Regards, > > > > Jeff > > > > > Yes, I know about that site, but they want WAY too > > > much money for a used adapter for an old computer. > > > > > > You would think that at this point, they'd be... > > > > > > > > lgwalker_at_ mts.net > > > lgwalker_at_ mts.net > > --__--__-- > > Message: 22 > From: "George R. Gonzalez" <grg_at_umn.edu> > To: <classiccmp_at_classiccmp.org> > Subject: TTY ASR-33 Platen? > Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 07:59:24 -0800 > Organization: Hearing Research Lab > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > I have been blessed with *two* Teletype ASR-33's. Apart from a minor > cleaning, they are going to be just fine. EXCEPT the rubber platens are as > hard as Chinese arithmetic! In case you havent experienced this, if the > platen gets hard, the printer doesnt print well-- the typehead kinda bounces > off the paper and doesnt leave a clean dark mark. > > I've tried the usual remedies-- acetone cleans them up, but they're still > rock hard. > > I need some suggestions! Should I try ArmorAll (known to soften rubber, > given time), "Platen cleaner", "belt dressing", "french dressing", or what? > > Note that I don't need to clean or make it "grippier", it needs to be > softened, a lot. > > Regards, > > > George > > --__--__-- > > Message: 23 > From: "Jim Keohane" <jimkeo_at_multi-platforms.com> > To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Assembly on a Apple IIc+ > Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 11:06:13 -0500 > Organization: Multi-Platforms, Inc. > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > Sellam Ismail, > > I'm either being imprecise or various readings I have done were > imprecise. The reference to "one cycle" instruction may have been referring > to there being 2 cpu cycles per clock cycle. Also, there's the "pipelining" > some say the 6502 does when the last (or only) byte of an instruction is > acted upon simultaneous to next instruction's 1st byte (opcode) being > fetched > > So perhaps "one instruction per clock cycle" may be awfully close with > pipelining and with use of zero page. > > Of course, we're talking Apple ]['s which, if I can trust my memory, > steal every other clock cycle to refresh memory. > > Cheers, - Jim > > Jim Keohane, Multi-Platforms, Inc. > > "It's not whether you win or lose. It's whether you win!" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sellam Ismail" <foo_at_siconic.com> > To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org> > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 18:40 > Subject: Re: Assembly on a Apple IIc+ > > > > On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Jim Keohane wrote: > > > > > p.s. I also did quite well with 6502 asm code in cpu speed tests vs > > > 80x86 and Z80 programmers. The zero page, for all intents and purposes, > > > is 256 registers. 6502 is single cycle instruction execution. Look up > > > definitions of RISC and the 6502 is arguably RISC-like. > > > > No 6502 instruction takes less than 2 cycles to complete. > > > > Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer > Festival > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ---- > > International Man of Intrigue and Danger > http://www.vintage.org > > > > * Old computing resources for business and academia at > www.VintageTech.com * > > --__--__-- > > Message: 24 > From: "Jim Keohane" <jimkeo_at_multi-platforms.com> > To: <cctech_at_classiccmp.org> > Subject: Re: Assembly on a Apple IIc+ > Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 11:13:14 -0500 > Organization: Multi-Platforms, Inc. > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > Not sure if this was mentioned as another option: > > There's the MERLIN assembler. Versions for ProDos and DOS 3.3. > > - Jim > > Jim Keohane, Multi-Platforms, Inc. > > "It's not whether you win or lose. It's whether you win!" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ron Hudson" <rhudson_at_cnonline.net> > To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org> > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 00:19 > Subject: Assembly on a Apple IIc+ > > > > What do I need to get started with 6502 Assembly on an apple II? > > --__--__-- > > Message: 25 > From: "lgomez" <lgomez_at_cdromsa.es> > Subject: Re: Grundy Newbrain fix > To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 17:31:42 +0100 > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > Please, can you say me how can i solve this problem? I've a > Newbrain AD with the same problem. > > Regards > > On Fri, 07 Feb 2003 17:43:50 +0100 > Torben Ring <toring_at_inet.uni2.dk> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I have a Grundy Newbrain, which wouldn't start, or if it > > started it would only show random chars in the display. > > I've found out what was wrong with the machine and if > > anyone needs help with fixing his (or hers) machine, I'll > > be able to point to the problem. As far as I can tell, > > this is a common problem with all these machines, and it > > only gets worse as time goes by. > > > > Regards, > > > > Torben Ring > > --__--__-- > > Message: 26 > Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2003 11:28:06 -0600 > From: James Rice <jrice54_at_charter.net> > To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org > Subject: OT Need parts > Reply-To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org > > I need one of the beige plastic headed screws that secure the side cover > on a Dell Dimension case. The is for my UMAX S900 that shares a > PaloAlto Design case with the earlier Dell Dimensions. I also need two > blank drive filler panels for a HP NetServer LC II. > > James > -- > http://webpages.charter.net/jrice54/classiccomp2.html > > > > End of cctech DigestReceived on Sun Feb 09 2003 - 22:35:52 GMT
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