The Coleco ADAM does indeed exist. I've been a memeber of the community since 1984. We are having our annual conventioni on Vancouver Island this August.
Murray
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> 1. RE: Helpful Identification Site (G Manuel)
> 2. Re: No Rear View (was Re: Take Two or Nothing) (Steve Jones)
> 3. Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 (Eric Smith)
> 4. Video Card for HP 9000/217 - was : HP-86B Monitor question (Bernd Kopriva)
> 5. Recovering data from disks... (Jim Donoghue)
> 6. RE: HP 5451c terminal cable (Peter Brown)
> 7. Re: Recovering data from disks... (Fred Cisin (XenoSoft))
> 8. Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 (Kevin Handy)
> 9. Re: ebay bid on dec rack (Zane H. Healy)
> 10. Re: Recovering data from disks... (Jim Donoghue)
> 11. Re: Recovering data from disks... (Dwight K. Elvey)
> 12. Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 (Ethan Dicks)
> 13. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (Geoff Roberts)
> 14. Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 (Patrick Finnegan)
> 15. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (John Allain)
> 16. Re: RA-81 reliability (was Re: ebay bid on dec rack) (Huw Davies)
> 17. Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e (Doug Coward)
> 18. Identification of an old machine (Hills, Paul)
> 19. Re: Identification of an old machine (Hans B Pufal)
> 20. Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1 (Dr. Ido)
> 21. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (David Woyciesjes)
> 22. Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e (Vintage Computer Festival)
> 23. Re: Identification of an old machine (Vintage Computer Festival)
> 24. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (David Woyciesjes)
> 25. Re: Identification of an old machine (John Allain)
> 26. Re: ebay bid on dec rack (John Allain)
> 27. Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e (Hans Franke)
> 28. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (David Woyciesjes)
> 29. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (David Woyciesjes)
> 30. Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (Ethan Dicks)
> 31. Microvax 3400 on eBay (Terry Freeman)
> 32. RE: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga (Antonio Carlini)
> 33. Fw: AdamComputer.com domains (Jay West)
> 34. Re: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains (Bryan Pope)
> 35. RE: AdamComputer.com domains (Adrian Vickers)
> 36. RE: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains (Bob Mason)
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 1
> From: "G Manuel" <gmanuel_at_gmconsulting.net>
> To: <cctech_at_classiccmp.org>
> Subject: RE: Helpful Identification Site
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:07:22 -0500
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> Sorry about that. Thank you for the welcome. I am from Philadelphia, PA. I
> mainly collect micros and early PC's although I have had an IBM System 34 in
> the past. Still have some parts around for it I think lol. I have been
> programming since '77 doing RPG on a IBM System 360. Currently I run my own
> consulting firm specializing in high end programmer training and custom app
> development.
>
> Greg
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cctech-admin_at_classiccmp.org [mailto:cctech-admin_at_classiccmp.org]On
> Behalf Of Joe
> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 12:42 PM
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Helpful Identification Site
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> Welcome to the list. Where are you from and what are your interest?
>
> Joe
>
> At 11:13 AM 3/26/03 -0500, you wrote:
> >Hi everyone,
> >
> >I am kinda new to the list. I have noticed alot of emails where people are
> >trying to identify one particular board or another. Just thought I would
> >share this site with those who don't know about it. Most boards have an FCC
> >ID# on them. Enter it at this site and it can give you some information
> >about the board that you can then use as a jumping off point for further
> >research. I apologize to anyone that may already have this info.
> >
> >http://www.fcc.gov/oet/fccid/
> >
> >I hope it helps some of you out. On a side note, I have a whole slew of old
> >boards and equipment that I am willing to share and as soon as I can
> >inventory them I will post a list for you all.
> >
> >Greg Manuel
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 2
> From: "Steve Jones" <classiccmp_at_crash.com>
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: No Rear View (was Re: Take Two or Nothing)
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:57:41 -0500
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> Ethan Dicks wrote:
> .
> > I brought home an 11/34, several RL02s and the two H960 DEC
> > racks (72" tall) in the back of my 1976 VW Microbus.
>
> Darn. I was getting set to respond to this thread with the tale of
> borrowing a friend's camper version Microbus to haul home my "new"
> VAX-11/730 in late 1990. But that was just a single low-boy cabinet,
> and now I feel like a whiner... ;^)
>
> --Steve.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:07:06 -0800 (PST)
> Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1
> From: "Eric Smith" <eric-nospam-638_at_brouhaha.com>
> To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org>
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> Joe wrote:
> > It has no card edge connectors like a
> > Q-bus or Unibus card but does have a metal plate with connectors
> > along one side. The plate has a BNC, DB-9M, DB-15M, DB-25M, RJ
> > (something) and an eight pin Molex connecotr on it. The board has a
> > NEC 7220 graphics IC, an AMD 8085 CPU and several LSICs with DEC
> > copywrites on it.
>
> Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 4
> From: "Bernd Kopriva" <bernd_at_kopriva.de>
> To: "cctalk_at_classiccmp.org" <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org>
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:17:34 +0100
> Subject: Video Card for HP 9000/217 - was : HP-86B Monitor question
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> I will receive a HP 9000/217 within the next weeks ...
> ... there will be a 90204A video card included (or maybe a 98627A), but both of them
> will not work with a "Standard VGA multisync monitor" ...
>
> >My 86s work with both the Apple and HP composite monitors. It's the
> >9920 (aka 9000/220) that uses the 30kHz horizontal sync instead of the
> >usual 15kHz and requires one of the special HP models, such as the HP
> >35731A.
> ... what card do you mean ?
> >
>
> Is there a video card for my 9000/217, which can be used with a multisync VGA monitor ?
>
> Thanks Bernd
>
> Bernd Kopriva Phone: ++49-7195-179452
> Weilerstr. 24 E-Mail: bernd_at_kopriva.de
> D-71397 Leutenbach
> Germany
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 5
> Subject: Recovering data from disks...
> From: Jim Donoghue <jim_at_smithy.com>
> To: classiccmp_at_classiccmp.org
> Date: 26 Mar 2003 15:06:05 -0500
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> I have several 5 1/4" *hard-sectored* floppy disks. These are in some
> proprietary format, they are read by a controller that consists of a Z80
> CPU, an EPROM, and some TTL chips. All this thing does is read the
> entire contents of the disk, outputting the data in parallel format over
> a ribbon cable. This is used to load CPU microcode into static RAMS.
> I want to be able to read the data from the disks, as I no longer have
> the controller/drive (or the mainframe it came from.)
> Any ideas?
> --
> Jim Donoghue
> Smithy Co.
> (734) 913-6700
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 6
> From: "Peter Brown" <peterbrown10_at_hotmail.com>
> To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org
> Subject: RE: HP 5451c terminal cable
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:44:16 +0000
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> Hi Glen and Joe,
>
> Thanks for your replies. I've had a closer look at the controller /
> computer / terminal connections. It seems to work something like this
>
> The 2648A terminal has a 13260A card that is connected via a short hooded
> edge connector and cable to a longer hooded edge connector on the rear of
> the 'controller' box. The controller box is then connected via another
> cable (that I have) to a 12531 card the HP 1000 computer.
>
> The long hooded connector on the controller has the same number of contacts
> as the 12531 card in the computer - so I would assume that it is just
> replicating the contacts in the computer.
>
> The controller box has a number of short-cut keys for various functions that
> the system can perform so I would guess that the controller can inject
> characters into the connection between the terminal and the computer.
>
> My memory is that all the funcions have two character shortcuts that can be
> typed in at the terminal and I notice a couple of cards with diode matricies
> in the controller. There is a diode array for each key consisting of up to
> 16 diodes - 2 lots of eight bit ascii - maybe.
>
> Anyhow, Glen it looks as though your cable detective work is correct. The
> cable is a 13232B p/n 02640-60058 for connecting the 2648A to a 12531
> interface.
>
> Joe can you please have a fish around and see if you have the right cable +
> we can work something out.
> If not then I'll have to take the build-it-yourself approach.
>
> Many thanks to you both.
>
> Peter Brown
>
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>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:00:15 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Fred Cisin (XenoSoft)" <cisin_at_xenosoft.com>
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> cc: classiccmp_at_classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Recovering data from disks...
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> On 26 Mar 2003, Jim Donoghue wrote:
> > I have several 5 1/4" *hard-sectored* floppy disks. These are in some
> > proprietary format, they are read by a controller that consists of a Z80
> > CPU, an EPROM, and some TTL chips. All this thing does is read the
> > entire contents of the disk, outputting the data in parallel format over
> > a ribbon cable. This is used to load CPU microcode into static RAMS.
> > I want to be able to read the data from the disks, as I no longer have
> > the controller/drive (or the mainframe it came from.)
> > Any ideas?
>
> Is there a brand name? (Somebody else might HAVE one)
>
> Otherwise,the drive is almost certainly not a problem, and you can
> probably use an "industry standard" drive, such as a TM100-2.
>
> But you will need a controller that can handle hard sectored diskettes.
>
> Depending on the specs of the format (which you haven't tod us), it MIGHT
> be readable with Northstar hardware, or it MIGHT be readable with Vector
> Graphic hardware, etc.
>
> OR, you could build an appropriate controller for a PC.
>
> --
> Fred Cisin cisin_at_xenosoft.com
> XenoSoft http://www.xenosoft.com
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:48:56 -0700
> From: Kevin Handy <kth_at_srv.net>
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> Eric Smith wrote:
>
> >Joe wrote:
> >
> >
> >>It has no card edge connectors like a
> >>Q-bus or Unibus card but does have a metal plate with connectors
> >>along one side. The plate has a BNC, DB-9M, DB-15M, DB-25M, RJ
> >>(something) and an eight pin Molex connecotr on it. The board has a
> >>NEC 7220 graphics IC, an AMD 8085 CPU and several LSICs with DEC
> >>copywrites on it.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board.
> >
> >
> >
> Possibly a GIGI with all those connectors on it.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 9
> Subject: Re: ebay bid on dec rack
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:28:33 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Zane H. Healy" <healyzh_at_aracnet.com>
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> > On Tuesday, March 25, 2003, Jay West wrote:
> > > FYI - I'm likely going to be bidding on the DEC "3 high" rack on Ebay that
> > > includes an RA81. The RA81 is missing the HDA, and I have no need for it,
> > > I just want the rack as it's the right height to mate to my 11/44X. If
> > > anyone wants the RA81-HDA, let me know before it gets skipped.
> >
> > :-) Of my 12 RA81s, 10 or so have Post-it notes saying "Bad HDA". I'm
> > starting to see a pattern here...
>
> If you look at the seller on eBay's auctions, you'll notice that he's pulled
> all the 'high demand' parts from everything that he's selling. In fact I
> don't think he's selling anything that's actually usable, unless like Jay
> you need a specific part of what he's selling.
>
> Zane
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 10
> Subject: Re: Recovering data from disks...
> From: Jim Donoghue <jim_at_smithy.com>
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Date: 26 Mar 2003 16:31:34 -0500
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 16:00, Fred Cisin (XenoSoft) wrote:
> >
> > Is there a brand name? (Somebody else might HAVE one)
> >
>
> The disks are 'CP4 CPU Microcode' disks for a Wang Laboratories' VS-90
> minicomputer system. Their only purpose is to load microcode or
> diagnostic routines into the control memory on the CPU board.
>
> > Otherwise,the drive is almost certainly not a problem, and you can
> > probably use an "industry standard" drive, such as a TM100-2.
> >
> > But you will need a controller that can handle hard sectored diskettes.
> >
> > Depending on the specs of the format (which you haven't tod us), it MIGHT
> > be readable with Northstar hardware, or it MIGHT be readable with Vector
> > Graphic hardware, etc.
>
> I don't have, and cannot obtain, the specs of the format. What I do have
> is a disassembly of the Z80 code from the EPROM. From what I have read
> scanning old newsgroup postings, etc. today, I might be out of luck.
> There's a dealer of old Wang equipment in Ohio that has one of these,
> but they want a small fortune for it. I may have to abandon the idea of
> reading these disks until I can locate hardware from somewhere else, or
> the Wang dealer finally decides it's not worth keeping and scraps it
> out.
>
> --
> Jim Donoghue
> Smithy Co.
> (734) 913-6700
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:04:19 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Dwight K. Elvey" <dwightk.elvey_at_amd.com>
> Subject: Re: Recovering data from disks...
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> >From: "Jim Donoghue" <jim_at_smithy.com>
> >
> >I have several 5 1/4" *hard-sectored* floppy disks. These are in some
> >proprietary format, they are read by a controller that consists of a Z80
> >CPU, an EPROM, and some TTL chips. All this thing does is read the
> >entire contents of the disk, outputting the data in parallel format over
> >a ribbon cable. This is used to load CPU microcode into static RAMS.
> >I want to be able to read the data from the disks, as I no longer have
> >the controller/drive (or the mainframe it came from.)
> >Any ideas?
> >--
> >Jim Donoghue
> >Smithy Co.
> >(734) 913-6700
> >
>
> Hi
> Get something like an EZKIT-lite from Analog Devices.
> These are proto typing boards for their DSP chips. These
> processors are fast enough to bit bang the data from
> floppies. You use one of the digital input lines.
> Once you determine the encoding method, you can look
> for the directory area or what ever.
> Dwight
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:26:20 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502_at_yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> --- Kevin Handy <kth_at_srv.net> wrote:
> > Eric Smith wrote:
> >
> > >Joe wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>It has no card edge connectors... has a BNC, DB-9M, DB-15M, DB-25M, RJ
> > >>(something) and an eight pin Molex connecotr on it. The board has a
> > >>NEC 7220 graphics IC, an AMD 8085 CPU and several LSICs with DEC
> > >>copywrites on it.
> > >>
> > >Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board.
> > >
> > Possibly a GIGI with all those connectors on it.
>
> That's a good guess, especially with the 8085 on there (ISTR that's
> the CPU in a GIGI).
>
> -ethan
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 13
> From: "Geoff Roberts" <geoffrob_at_stmarks.pp.catholic.edu.au>
> To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:15:05 +1030
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Allain" <allain_at_panix.com>
> To: "CCTalk" <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 3:13 AM
> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga
>
> > > Loading system software
> > > ?4C DEVINACT, DUA0
>
> That looks more like a hardware issue.
> "Device Inactive"
> It's not the message I usually see if I try and boot off a non-system disk.
>
> Geoff in Oz
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 20:26:32 -0500 (EST)
> From: Patrick Finnegan <pat_at_purdueriots.com>
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>
> > --- Kevin Handy <kth_at_srv.net> wrote:
> > > Eric Smith wrote:
> > >
> > > >Joe wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >>It has no card edge connectors... has a BNC, DB-9M, DB-15M, DB-25M, RJ
> > > >>(something) and an eight pin Molex connecotr on it. The board has a
> > > >>NEC 7220 graphics IC, an AMD 8085 CPU and several LSICs with DEC
> > > >>copywrites on it.
> > > >>
> > > >Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board.
> > > >
> > > Possibly a GIGI with all those connectors on it.
> >
> > That's a good guess, especially with the 8085 on there (ISTR that's
> > the CPU in a GIGI).
>
> But it's not. A Gigi has an 8-pin molex, two DB-25M's and 4 BNC's on the
> back (I just took a look at mine to verify).
>
> Pat
> --
> Purdue Universtiy ITAP/RCS
> Information Technology at Purdue
> Research Computing and Storage
> http://www-rcd.cc.purdue.edu
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 15
> From: "John Allain" <allain_at_panix.com>
> To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:10:32 -0500
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> > Loading system software
> > ?4C DEVINACT, DUA0
>
> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_1622.html
>
> "Please check existing discussions of the "serpentine" nature of the
> Q-bus module configuration available here in Ask The Wizard such as
> topic (1149), ...
> This could well be a problem with the Q-bus configuration, with the
> disk controller (probably an RQDX3 series controller), with the disk
> connection,..."
>
> John A.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:49:43 +1100
> From: Huw Davies <Huw.Davies_at_kerberos.davies.net.au>
> Subject: Re: RA-81 reliability (was Re: ebay bid on dec rack)
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> At 06:54 AM 26/03/2003 -0800, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>
> >There was a notorious problem with a formula change with an adhesive.
> >I don't recall the HDA rev letter, but drives from the wrong batch
> >would fail in record time. Big scramble for DEC to plug the gap.
>
> I can certainly confirm that there were significant problems with glue
> "migrating" onto the platters in RA81s. At the site I was working at in
> about 1982 we ordered two RA81s and suitable controller to augment our
> storage - we had an RM80 as system disk and two RM03s for user data - these
> were the good old days! These were some of the first RA81s delivered in
> Australia - I like to say that we had the first two RA81s in Australia
> along with about 10 of the next few shipments as well. It got to the stage
> where my Field Service engineer and I could replace an RA81 HDA in about 15
> minutes.
>
> >I think I've seen one drive die due to electronic failure, ever.
>
> The most entertaining RA81 failure we had (glue induced failures excepted)
> was when the drive select switches on drive 1 failed. The controller
> detected duplicate IDs and spun _both_ RA81s down. Took a long while to
> work out why every time the second drive was powered up, the first would
> spin down....
>
> Huw Davies | e-mail: Huw.Davies_at_kerberos.davies.net.au
> Melbourne | "If soccer was meant to be played in the
> Australia | air, the sky would be painted green"
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:48:35 -0800
> From: Doug Coward <mranalog_at_attbi.com>
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> Hans wrote:
> > Now, does anyone of you know about a similar machine
> > (especialy about the desktop part) produced in series
> > before 1963?
>
> All of the following are electronic desktop
> personal computers used by engineers and mass
> produced before 1963.
>
> I have copies of magazine ads for these computers:
> Electronic Associates Inc. Model TR-48 April 1962
> Electronic Associates Inc. Model TR-10 June 1960
> Donner Scientific Co. Model 3500 April 1960
> Donner Scientific Co. Model 3400 February 1960
>
> Of course there is also the Heath EC-1 introduced
> in 1960 and the Heath ES-400 introduced in 1956.
> --Doug
> =========================================
> Doug Coward
> _at_ home in Poulsbo, WA
>
> Analog Computer Online Museum and History Center
> http://dcoward.best.vwh.net/analog
> =========================================
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 18
> From: "Hills, Paul" <Paul.Hills_at_siemens.co.uk>
> To: "'cctalk_at_classiccmp.org'" <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Identification of an old machine
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:59:56 -0000
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> This is going to be rather difficult I think. In 1977 when I first went to
> high school, we had a visiting computer science teacher (the school didn't
> own it's own computer). He used to come in with a PET mostly, but one day he
> couldn't bring the PET so came in with this old machine which was roughly
> cubic, each side about 2 foot. On the front it had a wiring panel where you
> had to plug in patch leads, and a rotary dial like on old telephones which
> was used to dial the numbers in. I don't remember how it displayed its
> results.
>
> Being a first year student and never faced with a computer before I had no
> idea what to do with it, and so don't remember much about it. However, now
> I'm intrigued - what was that beast? Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> cheers,
> paul
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:56:14 +0100
> From: Hans B Pufal <hansp_at_aconit.org>
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Identification of an old machine
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> Hills, Paul wrote:
> > This is going to be rather difficult I think. In 1977 when I first went to
> > high school, we had a visiting computer science teacher (the school didn't
> > own it's own computer). He used to come in with a PET mostly, but one day he
> > couldn't bring the PET so came in with this old machine which was roughly
> > cubic, each side about 2 foot. On the front it had a wiring panel where you
> > had to plug in patch leads, and a rotary dial like on old telephones which
> > was used to dial the numbers in. I don't remember how it displayed its
> > results.
>
> Interesting, I presume from your email address that this was in the UK.
> The first thing that came to mind was the Wireless World computer, this
> was a construction project published in the Aug thru Dec 1967 issues of
> that magazine. (on my long list of things I to scan someday).
>
> The 'computer' had an 8 bit word and a 3 word memory and an accumulator.
> It could perform various arithemetic operations. The actual published
> articles do not show a telephone dial but ISTR some mention of
> extensions based on telephone equipment : dials and strowger switches.
>
> The size and propotions seem to fit, the published design had switches
> and lights on the front panel and no plug-board.
>
> Do you recollect if the machine was homebrewed or manufactured?
>
> -- hbp
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:12:00 +1000
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> From: "Dr. Ido" <drido_at_optushome.com.au>
> Subject: Re: ID this DEC card? GS-2 5015484-01-k1-p1
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> At 02:48 PM 3/26/03 -0700, you wrote:
> >Eric Smith wrote:
> >
> >>Joe wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>It has no card edge connectors like a
> >>>Q-bus or Unibus card but does have a metal plate with connectors
> >>>along one side. The plate has a BNC, DB-9M, DB-15M, DB-25M, RJ
> >>>(something) and an eight pin Molex connecotr on it. The board has a
> >>>NEC 7220 graphics IC, an AMD 8085 CPU and several LSICs with DEC
> >>>copywrites on it.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>Sounds like a VT220 or VT240 logic board.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >Possibly a GIGI with all those connectors on it.
> >
>
> My GIGI has 4 BNC connectors and no RJ connectors. I'd say he has a VT240
> board.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 21
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:26:25 -0500
> From: David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes_at_comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> John Allain wrote:
> >
> > > Loading system software
> > > ?4C DEVINACT, DUA0
> >
> > Do you know that it had software?
> > It's easy to erase a whole drive when a company is not sure
> > which files are sensitive or not.
> > I don't know from my limited knowledge how to distinguish
> > from a good+empty drive and a bad drive.
> > Perhaps it requires additional diagnostics SW.
> >
> > John A.
>
> Yeah, it did have software. They were testing keyboard and mice on it,
> so it must have a minimum GUI on there. And the people at CTI aren't the
> type to go deleting files, especially since at the time, they were under
> the impression that they would have to return the VAX...
>
> --
> ---Dave Woyciesjes
> ---ICQ# 905818
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:37:02 -0800 (PST)
> From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf_at_siconic.com>
> To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Doug Coward wrote:
>
> > Hans wrote:
> > > Now, does anyone of you know about a similar machine
> > > (especialy about the desktop part) produced in series
> > > before 1963?
> >
> > All of the following are electronic desktop
> > personal computers used by engineers and mass
> > produced before 1963.
> >
> > I have copies of magazine ads for these computers:
> > Electronic Associates Inc. Model TR-48 April 1962
> > Electronic Associates Inc. Model TR-10 June 1960
> > Donner Scientific Co. Model 3500 April 1960
> > Donner Scientific Co. Model 3400 February 1960
> >
> > Of course there is also the Heath EC-1 introduced
> > in 1960 and the Heath ES-400 introduced in 1956.
>
> These are all analog computers, of course. Hans was looking for digital
> computers.
>
> Berkeley's Simon could be considered (1951).
>
> http://www.widomaker.com/~cswiger/simon/
>
> --
>
> Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
>
> * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 23
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 05:38:40 -0800 (PST)
> From: Vintage Computer Festival <vcf_at_siconic.com>
> To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Identification of an old machine
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Hans B Pufal wrote:
>
> > Interesting, I presume from your email address that this was in the UK.
> > The first thing that came to mind was the Wireless World computer, this
> > was a construction project published in the Aug thru Dec 1967 issues of
> > that magazine. (on my long list of things I to scan someday).
>
> Ooh. I'd love to get a copy of that.
>
> --
>
> Sellam Ismail Vintage Computer Festival
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> International Man of Intrigue and Danger http://www.vintage.org
>
> * Old computing resources for business and academia at www.VintageTech.com *
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:46:48 -0500
> From: David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes_at_comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> John Allain wrote:
> >
> > > Loading system software
> > > ?4C DEVINACT, DUA0
> >
> > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_1622.html
> >
> > "Please check existing discussions of the "serpentine" nature of the
> > Q-bus module configuration available here in Ask The Wizard such as
> > topic (1149), ...
> > This could well be a problem with the Q-bus configuration, with the
> > disk controller (probably an RQDX3 series controller), with the disk
> > connection,..."
> >
> > John A.
>
> Well, after looking at that article, and topic 1149, it seems that I've
> created a small problem by moving only two of the boards over and not
> the rest, when I removed the M7602 QVSS video board.
>
> --
> ---Dave Woyciesjes
> ---ICQ# 905818
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 25
> From: "John Allain" <allain_at_panix.com>
> To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: Identification of an old machine
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:48:22 -0500
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> > wiring panel where you had to plug in patch leads, and a rotary dial
> > Does anyone have any ideas?
>
> Here's a MiniVac 601 with its prominent spinning dial
> http://userwww.sfsu.edu/~hl/c.minivac601.html
>
> Here's the nearly cubic Heathkit EC-1
> http://www.thocp.net/hardware/pictures/heathkit_analogue.jpg
>
> These two were about the most common, if not one of these,
> your professor's may have been a rare one. Of course they're
> all rara now.
>
> John A.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 26
> From: "John Allain" <allain_at_panix.com>
> To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Re: ebay bid on dec rack
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:04:35 -0500
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> > FYI - I'm likely going to be bidding on the DEC "3 high" rack on
> > Ebay that includes an RA81. The RA81 is missing the HDA, and
> > I have no need for it, I just want the rack as it's the right height to
> > mate to my 11/44X. If anyone wants the RA81-HDA, let me know
> > before it gets skipped.
>
> Will comply.
> Similarly, if anybody wants to subdivide the 8 x RA92 rack
> with me that's fine. I only want 2 or 4 max, but let me know.
>
> John A.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 27
> From: "Hans Franke" <Hans.Franke_at_mch20.sbs.de>
> Organization: SIEMENS AG
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:05:28 +0100
> Subject: Re: Kleinstrechenautomat D4e
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> > > Now, does anyone of you know about a similar machine
> > > (especialy about the desktop part) produced in series
> > > before 1963?
>
> > All of the following are electronic desktop
> > personal computers used by engineers and mass
> > produced before 1963.
>
> > I have copies of magazine ads for these computers:
> > Electronic Associates Inc. Model TR-48 April 1962
> > Electronic Associates Inc. Model TR-10 June 1960
> > Donner Scientific Co. Model 3500 April 1960
> > Donner Scientific Co. Model 3400 February 1960
>
> > Of course there is also the Heath EC-1 introduced
> > in 1960 and the Heath ES-400 introduced in 1956.
>
> ES-400 ? Sounds somewhat familar :)
>
> Are you shure we are talking about the same?
>
> My question was about a digital free programmable
> desktop computer - all in onw, including I/O and
> so on.
>
> For the Analog part, East Germany had some realy
> impressive machines. We had a real nice one from
> the mid 60s at last years VCFe
>
> So, the hunt is still open.
>
> Gruss
> H.
>
> --
> VCF Europa 4.0 am 03./04. Mai 2003 in Muenchen
> http://www.vcfe.org/
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:18:56 -0500
> From: David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes_at_comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> David Woyciesjes wrote:
> >
> > John Allain wrote:
> > >
> > > > Loading system software
> > > > ?4C DEVINACT, DUA0
> > >
> > > http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/wiz_1622.html
> > >
> > > "Please check existing discussions of the "serpentine" nature of the
> > > Q-bus module configuration available here in Ask The Wizard such as
> > > topic (1149), ...
> > > This could well be a problem with the Q-bus configuration, with the
> > > disk controller (probably an RQDX3 series controller), with the disk
> > > connection,..."
> > >
> > > John A.
> >
> > Well, after looking at that article, and topic 1149, it seems that I've
> > created a small problem by moving only two of the boards over and not
> > the rest, when I removed the M7602 QVSS video board.
> >
> > --
>
> Yep. That appears to be the answer. It's booting now VAX/VMS V5.1 Major
> id = 1 Minor id = 0.
> Now it's asking for the date and time, but for the life of me I can't
> seem to input a valid answer! Help!?!
>
> --
> ---Dave Woyciesjes
> ---ICQ# 905818
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 29
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:03:05 -0500
> From: David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes_at_comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> David Woyciesjes wrote:
> >
> > Now it's asking for the date and time, but for the life of me I
> > can't seem to input a valid answer! Help!?!
> >
> > --
>
> Well, finally got that figured out. Now I have a call in to the former
> oweners, to find a username/password.
> Does anybody know, when Digital sent out (loaner) machines to
> comapnaies for testing products, was there a default username/password
> that they usually set?
>
> --
> ---Dave Woyciesjes
> ---ICQ# 905818
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 07:26:33 -0800 (PST)
> From: Ethan Dicks <erd_6502_at_yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> --- David Woyciesjes <dwoyciesjes_at_comcast.net> wrote:
> > ...Now I have a call in to the former oweners, to find a
> > username/password.
>
> There are instructions in VMS FAQs (among other places) for how to
> get into a machine when you have free access to the console. There
> is some variation, but there are some cookbook instructions on how
> to do it.
>
> > Does anybody know, when Digital sent out (loaner) machines to
> > comapnaies for testing products, was there a default username/password
> > that they usually set?
>
> The canonical defaults are SYSTEM/MANAGER and FIELD/SERVICE. Some
> older machines might have SYSTEST/UETP. Any of these should have enough
> privs to let you twiddle the SYSUAF file (change passwords, add accounts,
> etc.)
>
> More recent versions of VMS will not allow you to take a default
> SYSTEM password, but you can change it back after the install is
> done.
>
> -ethan
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 31
> From: "Terry Freeman" <terryf_at_intersurf.com>
> To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Microvax 3400 on eBay
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:55:53 -0600
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> In the for what it's worth column:
>
> MicroVax 3400 on ebay
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1484&item=3409069554
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 32
> From: "Antonio Carlini" <arcarlini_at_iee.org>
> To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org>
> Subject: RE: Industrial VAX 630 booting saga
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 16:29:13 -0000
> Organization: me_at_home
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> > Does anybody know, when Digital sent out (loaner)
> > machines to comapnaies for testing products, was there a
> > default username/password that they usually set?
>
> Maybe in the V5.1 timeframe, but I think even by then SYSTEM/MANAGER
> and FIELD/FIELD had long gone!
>
> The OpenVMS FAQ seems to be here:
> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_contents.html
>
> Your specific question is here:
>
> http://h71000.www7.hp.com/wizard/faq/vmsfaq_contents.html
>
> In your case,
> >>> B/1
> should get you into SYSGEN.
>
> Then
> SYSGEN> SET STARTUP_P1 "MIN"
> SYSGEN> SET UAFALT 1
> SYSGEN> SET WRITES 0
> SYSGEN> CONTINUE
> should get you a quick boot into the alternate UAF.
> As long as there is *no* alternate UAF (and many systems
> don't have one) and no SYSUAF logical set during a minimum
> boot (who knows ...) you should then be able to
> log in as SYSTEM using any passwords *on the system console only*.
>
> Then you do:
> $ SET DEF SYS$SYSTEM
> $ SET PROC/PRIV=ALL
> $ DEASS /SYS/EXE SYSUAF ! I forget if you need /EXE .. try both
> if necessary
> $ MC AUTHORIZE
> UAF> MODIFY SYSTEM/NOPWDEXP/PASS=feefiefoefum
> UAF> EXIT
> and now reboot, this time letting it come up
> normally.
>
> If there is an alternate UAF file, or SYSUAF gets set even on a
> minimal boot, then you need to follow the procedure as specified
> in the FAQ (but it's a tad trickier IMHO).
>
> Antonio
>
> --
>
> ---------------
> Antonio Carlini arcarlini_at_iee.org
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 33
> From: "Jay West" <jwest_at_classiccmp.org>
> To: <cctech_at_classiccmp.org>
> Subject: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:16:32 -0600
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> Question....
>
> Was there a vintage computer called an "Adam"? I *THINK* I recall hearing
> something about that name. If so, then the below email MAY be of interest to
> someone. If there wasn't such a computer, then this email is SPAM and I
> apologize for posting it here.
>
> Jay West
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dusty Fohs" <dusty_at_rumcakerecipe.com>
> To: <jwest_at_classiccmp.org>
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:01 AM
> Subject: AdamComputer.com domains
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > We purchased the domain names AdamComputer.com & AdamComputers.com for a
> project that we are no longer able to develop.
> >
> > Domains for sale are:
> >
> > www.AdamComputer.com
> > www.AdamComputers.com
> >
> > I wanted to see if you have an interest or know of someone who could make
> use of these domains. We are just looking to recoup what we paid for these
> domains, as they no longer fall into our business plans.
> >
> > Let me know if you are interested or if you have any questions.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Dusty
> > dusty_at_rumcakerecipe.com
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 34
> From: Bryan Pope <bpope_at_wordstock.com>
> Subject: Re: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains
> To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:27:07 -0500 (est)
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> And thusly Jay West spake:
> >
> > Question....
> >
> > Was there a vintage computer called an "Adam"? I *THINK* I recall hearing
> > something about that name. If so, then the below email MAY be of interest to
> > someone. If there wasn't such a computer, then this email is SPAM and I
> > apologize for posting it here.
>
> The Coleco Adam?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bryan
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 35
> Subject: RE: AdamComputer.com domains
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:44:23 -0000
> From: "Adrian Vickers" <adrian.vickers_at_blue-edged.com>
> To: <cctalk_at_classiccmp.org>
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> > From: Jay West [mailto:jwest_at_classiccmp.org]
> >
> > Question....
> >
> > Was there a vintage computer called an "Adam"? I *THINK* I
> > recall hearing
>
> Indeed there was: The Coleco Adam. A Google search throws up a number of
> links & pix.
>
> --__--__--
>
> Message: 36
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:54:53 -0500
> From: knightstalkerbob_at_netscape.net (Bob Mason)
> To: cctech_at_classiccmp.org
> Subject: RE: Fw: AdamComputer.com domains
> Reply-To: cctalk_at_classiccmp.org
>
> Coleco Adam, two digital cassette drives, think it had a Z80, could run CP/M. Was also an add-on to the Coleco game console at the time, to turn it into an Adam as well. Don't remember time frame, mid eighties?
>
> "Jay West" <jwest_at_classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> >Question....
> >
> >Was there a vintage computer called an "Adam"? I *THINK* I recall hearing
> >something about that name. If so, then the below email MAY be of interest to
> >someone. If there wasn't such a computer, then this email is SPAM and I
> >apologize for posting it here.
> >
> >Jay West
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Dusty Fohs" <dusty_at_rumcakerecipe.com>
> >To: <jwest_at_classiccmp.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:01 AM
> >Subject: AdamComputer.com domains
> >
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> We purchased the domain names AdamComputer.com & AdamComputers.com for a
> >project that we are no longer able to develop.
> >>
> >> Domains for sale are:
> >>
> >> www.AdamComputer.com
> >> www.AdamComputers.com
> >>
> >> I wanted to see if you have an interest or know of someone who could make
> >use of these domains. We are just looking to recoup what we paid for these
> >domains, as they no longer fall into our business plans.
> >>
> >> Let me know if you are interested or if you have any questions.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Dusty
> >> dusty_at_rumcakerecipe.com
> >
>
> --
> Bob Mason
>
> 2x Amiga 500's, GVP A530 (40mhz 68030/68882, 8meg Fast, SCSI), 1.3/3.1, 2meg Chip, full ECS chipset, EZ135, 1084S, big harddrives, 2.2xCD
> Gateway Performance 500 Piece 'o Crap, 'ME, 384meg, 20Gig & 40Gig, flatbed.
> Heathkit H-89A, 64K RAM, hard and soft-sectored floppies, SigmaSoft and Systems 256K RAM Drive/Print Spooler/Graphics board HDOS 2 & CP/M 2.2.03/2.2.04
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