APPLEVISION Monitor, Anything !Windows = Cryptic ?

From: Raymond Moyers <rmoyers_at_nop.org>
Date: Mon May 6 17:47:20 2002

On Monday 06 May 2002 16:37, you wrote:

> What's a bash? ... and what's mc? Would the man on the street know that?

 Or whats a mouse for that matter, some have problems
 double vs single "click"

 More non-point filler.

> That may be true, but if you are sitting at computer keyboard for the first
> time in your life, how do you know what to do?

 More of the same, the fellow at the touchscreen of a burger stand
 can have problems, cant they.

 Look at the keyboards at some places, and the hunt for the "no mayo"
 button.

 We dont come pottie trained either.

 Any system can be precooked for an idiot, and my aged mother
 runs linux.

 She would been just as lost no matter the OS without some help
 when she first sat down.

 Now her best stories are how all here penpals machines crash
 and trash themselves and email bugs and ...

 All of which her machine is immune.

> Maybe someday someone will write a DOSEMU that works like DOS,
> and a WINE that actually executes Windows App's.

 These already exist, they are not "free" but i dont see you requiring
 "free" as a crterion elsewhere.

 do you demand that winblows run rt11 or MVS apps ?

 With cygwin winblows can run some linux apps on the bare metal
 with about the same success and bother as dosemu and wine
 and this software comes free from the same community.
 If you want better, they also are not "free" , but you dont demand a
 double standard im sure.

> That would go a long way to ending the MS monopoly on user-friendly,
> and make it possible for 3rd-party application developers to get up
> some applicatons that really work.

 This line could be based on false assertion.

 our apps work fine thank you very much, are network transparent
 and for most all we have the source code, anything we dont like
 we can change, an utterly totaly superior enviroment to work in.

 Or perhaps you mean that winblows apps do not "really work"
 and without the source, well, better hope that there are enough
 "customers" with your problem that they might bother with
 a fix.

> > I credit these two things for its success, no longer
> > did it have two most fierce deterrents to learning.
>
> I think the learning is, in itself, a deterrent.

 O My, i could make all manner of hay with that.


> I think what promotes the learning best is making the system
> such that one can do something one wants to do right out of the box
> and then letting people learn what they have to along the way.

 Most all the linux dist's ship with precooked office suites that
 run with a click, and several at that, so another non point.

 You seem a bright guy, but most of what you say seems to be
 what some clueless idiot told you 4th hand rather than any
 hands on, or so it seems to me.

 Raymond
Received on Mon May 06 2002 - 17:47:20 BST